# Paypal/venmo 1099 **URL:** \ **Category:** Unrelated Discussion\ **Created:** [November 10, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414 "2021-11-10T16:32:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jhb8426](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhb8426/32/631_2.png) [@jhb8426](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jhb8426)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/1 "2021-11-10T16:32:10Z")
The limit of $20,000 to trigger a 1099 from them has been lowered to $600. > **[If you use Venmo, PayPal or other payment apps this tax rule change may...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/success/payment-app-tax-reporting-feseries/index.html)** > > If you’re among the millions of people who use payment apps like PayPal, Venmo, Square, and other third-party electronic payment networks, you could be affected by a tax reporting change that goes into effect in January. ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/2 "2021-11-10T16:33:51Z")
Happened last year for Illinois ---
**Author:** ![yoyojoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e99b99/32.png) [@yoyojoe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyojoe)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/3 "2021-11-10T16:39:56Z")
I started tracking my buying, selling, PayPal fees, and shipping fees the last couple years so I can file it properly. ---
**Author:** ![Isaac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/isaac/32/597931_2.png) [@Isaac](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Isaac)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/4 "2021-11-10T16:43:26Z")
I track my purchases and sales but haven’t been tracking shipping or PayPal fees; I should start doing so. $600 is practically nothing… filing this year’s taxes is going to be interesting ETA: effective starting for 2022 income, so won’t apply until doing taxes in 2023. ---
**Author:** ![Chriscatastrophe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chriscatastrophe/32/111769_2.png) [@Chriscatastrophe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Chriscatastrophe)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/5 "2021-11-10T17:48:08Z")
How are they looking at transactions? It says that sending money to a friend for Venmo is not taxable but how do they know the differences for the transactions ? Seems incredibly petty especially for this community which has a lot for sale on the BST. ---
**Author:** ![fos1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fos1/32/150706_2.png) [@fos1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fos1)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/7 "2021-11-10T18:37:39Z")
Grrrr… ---
**Author:** ![Isaac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/isaac/32/597931_2.png) [@Isaac](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Isaac)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/8 "2021-11-10T18:54:57Z")
Goods & Services transactions are subject to the reporting (but not necessarily taxation, that’s to be determined when you do the transaction), but Friends & Family transactions do not count towards the reporting amount. Venmo has business accounts, and those are subject to the reporting. So think of it like: `PayPal F&F : Venmo personal :: PayPal G&S : Venmo Business` ---
**Author:** ![BadWolfeCo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/badwolfeco/32/99733_2.png) [@BadWolfeCo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/BadWolfeCo)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/9 "2021-11-10T20:19:03Z")
So does this mean they’re going to automatically send me a 1099 if I’m over $600? Because if so, this is definitely a good thing for me because it means my taxes will be easier having the right forms 😅 This is my first year making enough from strings that I’m gonna have to file as a business instead of just a hobby. ---
**Author:** ![LinksLegionaire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/linkslegionaire/32/886_2.png) [@LinksLegionaire](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LinksLegionaire)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/10 "2021-11-10T20:51:35Z")
Oi you made some money? Ye we’re gonna need to tax your income. Oi you bought a product with your income? Ye we’re gonna need to tax that sale. Oi you sold that product? Ye we’re going to need a slice of that pie too. Oi you invested the profit you made from that sale? GUESS WHAT. Good thing papa guberment does such an excellent job spending our tax dollars wisely 😊 Sorry, just needed to rant. ---
**Author:** ![Lido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lido/32/173650_2.png) [@Lido](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lido)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/12 "2021-11-12T08:18:26Z")
Interesting. Maybe if you sell on the BST you can consider it a business and write off your “losses” (i.e. yoyo purchases that you decide you just _can’t_ sell). ---
**Author:** ![yoyodoc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyodoc/32/48820_2.png) [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/13 "2021-11-12T08:52:59Z")
One thing I can’t stand is ignorance of the tax system. I am positive that ALL taxes collected from All sources are 100 percent used for very useful and necessary causes. Every City tax, State tax, Federal tax, DMV tax, Luxury tax, Property tax, Spongebob Lunchbox tax, Thumb tacks, taxes on hot pizzas and BigMac attax are ALL perfectly justified. I bought my house in 1989 for $460,000. I recently received an updated valuation that my property is now recognized at $1,200,000. Even though I have been here over 30 years. And I don’t intend to sell the property, the County keeps raising the perceived value so they can charge me more for property taxes. And I am sure they are ALL Super Honest and have the Best intentions and only want to SUCK money out of me for the Good of the people. The Government calculated several years ago, that internet sales(and not reporting amounts for taxable purposes) was costing them over 23 billion dollars in potential revenue. And they need that money to buy more paper plates and ‘the good peanut butter’, because sadly, our State Senators and Congressmen are only making $247,000 a year(with lifetime comprehensive Benefits packages/after serving only 1 term in office) and they have to justify their income by doing what they can to help the IRS squeeze every single penny they can get. …Now, their fund seeking Vampires have decided to be Bold and suck the blood out of their new cash generating cows: Paypal and Venmo. I trust they have nothing but good intentions and just need our spare change to help save the Universe from Bankruptcy. PS…… I’m practicing for the International Lying Championships. The above text is just a rough draft. I need to polish a few lines before the Contest. ---
**Author:** ![fatguysnacks247](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fatguysnacks247/32/81478_2.png) [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/14 "2021-11-12T13:13:19Z")
> [@TheHelveticaScenario](#): > > I’m also super curious if I’d get to legally claim a loss on my taxes since I’m much more likely to sell most stuff for less than I paid. :thinking: i was curious of something similar. could what i send via g&s on the same account get deducted as expenses. it’s all for the same purposes… but then we’d be operating as a business. i’m sure like @yoyodoc said, in sum - it’s what’s best (lmfao), but hobbyists and collectors are being turned into businesses seemingly without recourse or regard for the ‘actual’ costs involved. at least you can make tons of money making yoyos…. right? please tell me i’m right! ---
**Author:** ![BWright](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bwright/32/88490_2.png) [@BWright](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/BWright)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/15 "2021-11-12T13:30:24Z")
For most people I think this would be considered “hobby income”, which is reported as misc income on your tax return. Hobby expenses are only deductible to the extent of hobby income. Unfortunately, hobby expenses are an itemized deduction so if you take the standard deduction you basically loose the expenses. I would think PayPal only considers G&S transaction when calc the amount for your 1099. ---
**Author:** ![stevejspins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@stevejspins](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stevejspins)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/16 "2021-11-12T14:13:48Z")
I no longer like ebay, but used to. They asked for my social yesterday, I’ve sold so little, I’ll give them nothing. ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/17 "2021-11-12T14:39:44Z")
> [@TheHelveticaScenario](#): > > I’d really be surprised if it doesn’t get reverted or dramatically modified before going into effect. So this actually started with last years taxes for some areas, where I’m at Illinois was one of them. Here is the real downside to this, the 1099 they send you is for a small business. Paypal will not send a 1099-MISC, they send you a 1099-K. Everything I’ve seen and have heard from tax people this is a giant mistake, because not everyone with a PayPal account is a small business. My wife had sold $1400 worth of our kids old items: toys, clothes, car seats, etc. A friend of mine, who passed away, I helped his widow sell his guitar collection, I got hit with a 1099-K as well. So with the 1099-K, you have to file as a small business 🤦‍♂️ This not only complicates things, but also makes you pay a higher price if you use a filing service. I’m hoping this, out of all of it, is what get’s changed. > [@TheHelveticaScenario](#): > > I’m also super curious if I’d get to legally claim a loss on my taxes since I’m much more likely to sell most stuff for less than I paid. Yes, you can deduct the losses, you must be able to show those losses though. WOuld need to keep every receipt, be able to reference every PayPal transaction where you originally bought it, and said transaction would need to notate that was the item that you are claiming. It it’s just a payment and says “Thanks!” It’s probably not going to get to be used, or if it’s generic “CLYW Chief YoYo” it also may not be able to be used, in the event you were audited. > [@fatguysnacks247](#): > > could what i send via g&s on the same account get deducted as expenses. I asked this as well, only if you are set up as a business. My wife and I had a long discussion with PayPal and several tax people. Paypal doesn’t seem to understand, or admit, that for most ebay/facebook/forum sales it’s basically a garage sale where you’re taking a loss on most everything. The tax people are really frustrated as well in our discussions. In the end we had to pay an additional $3200 in taxes and prep fees last year, we had to amend our taxes because Paypal sent the 1099 in late March, our taxes were finished in February. It was a giant headache. ---
**Author:** ![fatguysnacks247](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fatguysnacks247/32/81478_2.png) [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/18 "2021-11-12T14:48:55Z")
thank you @AaronW it might be time to start looking at the business route in some of these instances, as i wonder if there are tax advantages as a business on the other end that would offset the expenses in the form of deductions, etc. another concern i have, people may be more apt to use f&f in an unsafe situation…. whereas there was some (but not always i just learned) protections through g&s. ---
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/19 "2021-11-12T17:43:10Z")
Guess all of my future BST purchases/sales will be via crypto now… The last thing I want to do is complicate my taxes for something so unimportant. ---
**Author:** ![JEA86](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jea86/32/288088_2.png) [@JEA86](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JEA86)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/20 "2021-11-12T18:20:17Z")
This will end up crippling the BST - I don’t want to have to file as self employed for selling a canvas and a hinemosu lol. Guess starting 1/1 it’s F&F or nothing for me 😕 sad but this change is an over reach ---
**Author:** ![BWright](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bwright/32/88490_2.png) [@BWright](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/BWright)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/22 "2021-11-12T21:11:53Z")
If you get a 1099 you will have to report it on your tax return regardless of if your expenses exceeded your revenue. Or else you will get a letter from the IRS (CP2000 letter). ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414/23 "2021-11-12T21:53:27Z")
> [@TheHelveticaScenario](#): > > o my understanding is that you’d now get a 1099-K from each entity you did business with (PayPal, eBay, Etsy, etc.) Not sure what 1099 eBay will send yet, as I believe this is the first year they are handling payments by themselves and will send out 1099’s. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-venmo-1099/347414.md?page=2)