# Old School, Mid School, New School **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [September 2, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282 "2022-09-02T17:20:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JeiCheetah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jeicheetah/32/612192_2.png) [@JeiCheetah](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JeiCheetah)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/1 "2022-09-02T17:20:23Z")
Something I’m curious to get some opinions on. How would you divide the different “eras” of modern yoyoing? When I say modern I’m referring to the period during and following the 90s yoyo boom where competition freestyles and the popularity of yoyo skyrocketed and essentially brought us into the modern world. For a while, people considered “Old school” to be the period of 1998 to roughly 2002, “mid school” to be the period of roughly 2003 to 2007, and modern to be everything from 2008 and on. As years have gone by, it’s clear that there was a big shift in yoyo within the period people could call modern (i.e, yoyoing and yoyos from 2010 babe a big difference from yoyoing and yoyos from 2020). So how would you define the different eras of modern yoyoing and where would you place the cutoff years? Interested to see what people’s thoughts are 🙂 o̸̞̳̮͉̠͖̲̥͊͂̃́̈̇̾͛̓̽́͘͜p̷̥̼̣̮̖͉͓̹̙̾ę̵̛̘̫̪̥̌̓͋͐̈́͌͊͠ͅn̴̳͓͙̘̣̰̈́̍̈́́͊̌͊̿̏̎͛͝ ̷̛͕̙̝̟̪̱̽̐̀̀̀̐̐̅̔́y̵̨̥͙̙̜̙̩̫̝̆̇̂̀̎̈͋̃̀͊̊̕ͅò̴̞̪̦̻ͅͅù̷̻͍̱̆̾̔͑̕̚͝͝͝ȑ̷̘̖͒̋̆̎̋ ̴̩͇̩͖̲͓̘͎͕̔̅́̿̚t̸̢͎́̉̉h̷͚̲̥̗͐̇̈̽̋̚͝o̸̹̔̒̈́̽̇͌u̷̹͍͉͙̻̼̞̟͊g̴̭͇̠̩̹̯̥̝͋̄͆̆̊̔̄͗̓̈́ͅh̷̨̛̛̥͚̜̯̜͔̺̋̎͌̎͐͂̑̃͊ẗ̷̡̢̢͇̟̹̟̹̼͕͙͍̓s̸̥̠̏̋͝ J ---
**Author:** ![Isaac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/isaac/32/597931_2.png) [@Isaac](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Isaac)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/2 "2022-09-02T17:35:07Z")
I’d probably break it up in pretty similar brackets: - 1998 - ~2002/2003 =\> Old School - 2003 - 2008 =\> Mid school - 2008 - present =\> New school/modern But I’d probably break up that last category a bit further - 2008 - 2013 =\> “Old New school” - decline of forums as online presence with social media replacing it - founding of the IYYF - begin to start seeing bimetals gaining prominence - 2014 - present =\> Modern - the modern meta develops, an “anti-meta” develops - great yo-yos become cheaper to much cheaper - average knowledge of what causes a yo-yo to feel how it does increases - knowledge about yo-yo manufacturing increases - the rise of the boutique yo-yo company - the pandemic and the rise of online contests - discord replaces IRC ---
**Author:** ![adamantiumpops](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/adamantiumpops/32/198285_2.png) [@adamantiumpops](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/adamantiumpops)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/3 "2022-09-02T17:35:30Z")
When was the first unresponsive, C-bearing, 19mm pad, aluminum yoyo released for purchase? No mods, no one-offs. I’d say that hardware availability marks the beginning of ‘modern’. ---
**Author:** ![Isaac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/isaac/32/597931_2.png) [@Isaac](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Isaac)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/4 "2022-09-02T17:40:35Z")
I’m not sure exactly when 19mm was standardized, but unresponsive aluminum C-bearing yo-yos have been around since like 2005ish? Maybe even earlier. Pre-2006 my knowledge is all second-hand. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeper80](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sleeper80/32/257936_2.png) [@Sleeper80](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sleeper80)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/5 "2022-09-02T17:46:41Z")
My two cents: 0-1998: Old School 1998-2008: Mid School 2008 - present : New School ---
**Author:** ![Sleeper80](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sleeper80/32/257936_2.png) [@Sleeper80](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sleeper80)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/6 "2022-09-02T17:47:40Z")
Early 2000s… yoyojam was the first to use it i believe ---
**Author:** ![MaximShoots](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/maximshoots/32/171131_2.png) [@MaximShoots](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MaximShoots)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/7 "2022-09-02T17:49:02Z")
Old School was always pre-2005 for me, Mid School was 2005-2011, and Modern was 2011- Till now ---
**Author:** ![JeiCheetah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jeicheetah/32/612192_2.png) [@JeiCheetah](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JeiCheetah)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/8 "2022-09-02T18:10:02Z")
First size C bearing yoyo was the YoyoJam Patriot which came out in early 2002. In terms of yoyos that were specifically made to be unresponsive out of the box in play, Buzzons Bushido in 2003 was likely the first, followed by the early Dif-e-yo metals of the same period which featured the KK bearing. ---
**Author:** ![Shapapy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/shapapy/32/141199_2.png) [@Shapapy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Shapapy)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/9 "2022-09-02T22:43:38Z")
I like this take. Old school feels like it should be the fixed axle days of imperials and butterflies. Mid school would be the era of innovation. This is when all the changes took place to bring us to the modern era. The modern era is a crazy thing to think about. These beautiful works of art that end up in our mailboxes every day didn’t exist just a couple decades ago. This is just beginning. We’re the pioneers. It’s exciting and I’m glad to be a part of it! ---
**Author:** ![JeiCheetah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jeicheetah/32/612192_2.png) [@JeiCheetah](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JeiCheetah)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/10 "2022-09-02T23:19:15Z")
One thing I have noted from not only asking here, but also other places within yoyo is that there are quite a vast array of feelings to what defines the different era’s, and a lot of it also comes down to when people started. I had to do a double take the other day when some kids were talking about how Jensen Kimmit’s worlds winning routine was an “old school” freestyle and I felt like I aged 50 years. Ỉ̸̡̨͓̹̺̟̌̇̑̒̒͌̄̈̕͠M̶̨̬̃̽̐̃̈́̋̐̌̈́͘͝͝ ̵̫̞͈̱̟̱͚̻̰͈̓̒̈́̂̅͐͛́̀͌̏͌̀͘Ǫ̷̫͇̼̺̩̺̞̙̮̟̼̭̪̈́́̈́͊̌͋̈́͘̚͘L̸̢͉͍̩͈̣̭̦̟̹͔̼͐̍̾͛͑̓͆̽̒̿̿͊̇͝D̷͈͔̹͎̤̞̊̔͜ ̶̟͓̪̱̻̬̹͙̹̹͕͕̂̌͌̑̀̀̈̆͗̀̀̿͝G̵̡̨̳̪̺̺̬̖̫͖̦̜͉̬͝R̴̝̘̯̜̦͋̿͂͛́̏̾̽͘͠͠ͅȨ̶̛̛̹̳̦̰̟̮͛͆̔̆̑̎͊͊̓̾̏͘Ģ̸̧̮̥͙̹͔͎̈́̐̑͂͐̈̕ ---
**Author:** ![MaximShoots](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/maximshoots/32/171131_2.png) [@MaximShoots](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MaximShoots)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/11 "2022-09-02T23:26:53Z")
Ever Drunk Baileys From a Shoe? ---
**Author:** ![kadabrium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kadabrium/32/1522_2.png) [@kadabrium](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kadabrium)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/12 "2022-09-02T23:47:20Z")
2009-2016 2017- ---
**Author:** ![suspense](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/suspense/32/178499_2.png) [@suspense](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/suspense)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/13 "2022-09-03T00:06:07Z")
Same sentiments I had when some kids categorized Blink-182 as “Classic Rock.” ![I-m-Old-Gregg-old-gregg-31744749-600-338](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/3/4/934bfc290ebd9b558934a18ae3dbd3edbecc1eda.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![JeiCheetah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jeicheetah/32/612192_2.png) [@JeiCheetah](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JeiCheetah)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/14 "2022-09-03T00:15:54Z")
NOOO! Say it aint so… ---
**Author:** ![rizki\_yoist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rizki_yoist/32/7925_2.png) [@rizki\_yoist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rizki_yoist)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/15 "2022-09-21T15:46:07Z")
Whatsa anti-meta? ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/16 "2022-09-21T16:03:04Z")
> [@rizki\_yoist](#): > > anti-meta I would consider the rise of 0A and the “Modern Responsive” movement as part of the “Anti-Meta”. #thingsthatrepaeat and Repeater Style tricks would also fall in the the Anti-Meta camp. ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/17 "2022-09-21T16:37:56Z")
> [@adamantiumpops](#): > > When was the first unresponsive, The first “Marketed” Unresponsive as reveled in @DocPop 's Bind History research was the [Buzz-On Bushido](http://www.yoyomuseum.com/museum_view.php?action=view&subaction=exhibit&exhibitid=3798) listed in December of 2003 on Extreme Spin. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/a/a/eaa859e025338d4a960d70cb3b87e0b88674e4c0.jpeg "The History of Yo-Yo Binds") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLBgK4Jo0BY&t=4900) 19mm pads Standard would have come later after the 555 stickers. It could have been the size of YYJ’s o-rings. However; @YOHANS on @Gentry_Stein 's 5 most influential. He plugs the YYF [Grind Machine](http://www.yoyomuseum.com/museum_view.php?action=view&subaction=exhibit&exhibitid=3370) as one of the first. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/3/7/93790cce492f6a921c459b652ab961034218c38c.jpeg "THE 5 Yoyos That Revolutionized Yoyoing.") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXBXb3xdCAw&t=523) ---
**Author:** ![yyfben2.deactivated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ccd318/32.png) [@yyfben2.deactivated](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yyfben2.deactivated)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/18 "2022-09-21T19:01:37Z")
19mm Pads were first released for the 08 888. The groove for it was silicone as early as 2007 (again 888). It was not an oring groove and is now fairly standard, like the large bearing. 555 pad was first custom made for the G5 by di-e-yo Original Grind Machine was released in December 2003. the Bushido was also listed as December 2003… not sure if it could be dismissed without consideration. 2003 is a safe bet though. YoYoFactory and BUZZON both debuted at Nationals in October that year and shared many sentiments about not following the path of those already walking the line. * * * pre 98- Historic. Not even the introduction of the bearing really changed a lot. 98-07 Where everything changed. In my mind, not much has changed since 2007. In 2007 worlds was won on an unresponsive, large bearing, 19mm response, metal yoyo. The Change by the rest of the industry was made then. ---
**Author:** ![rajones19](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rajones19/32/146452_2.png) [@rajones19](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rajones19)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/old-school-mid-school-new-school/362282/19 "2022-09-24T02:15:12Z")
If 1998-2002 is “Old School”, I must be Paleolithic School. I first started about 1962 at age eight.