# Okay, I hate to ask this, but I need some help deciding... **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [February 14, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485 "2013-02-14T16:39:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Behemoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/behemoth/32/1291_2.png) [@Behemoth](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Behemoth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/1 "2013-02-14T16:39:41Z")
I know, I know - you read these recommendation threads and you’re like “seriously? Just buy the yoyo you want. Do some research, then buy the one that looks the best. Why is that so hard?” I don’t know why it’s so hard, but I wanted some advice from the yoyoexperts: Code 2 v. Dietz v. Cupcake. Which one would you get and why? ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/2 "2013-02-14T16:44:31Z")
The tricky part will be finding someone who knows all three of those well enough to give you a real recommendation; also, if you’ve seen a million of these already, you know that people are going to ask what your preferences are…! Between the Code 2 and Dietz, I would get the Dietz… because I’ve never played one. :wink: Seriously, though… Dietz is an undersized that’s apparently pretty nimble, and Code 2 is a full-sized and to me feels “deliberate” (on the slower side). Surely that’s a good starting point for eliminating one or the other? ---
**Author:** ![Behemoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/behemoth/32/1291_2.png) [@Behemoth](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Behemoth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/3 "2013-02-14T16:47:44Z")
> [@GregP](#): > > The tricky part will be finding someone who knows all three of those well enough to give you a real recommendation; also, if you’ve seen a million of these already, you know that people are going to ask what your preferences are…! > > Between the Code 2 and Dietz, I would get the Dietz… because I’ve never played one. :wink: Seriously, though… Dietz is an undersized that’s apparently pretty nimble, and Code 2 is a full-sized and to me feels “deliberate” (on the slower side). Surely that’s a good starting point for eliminating one or the other? At this point in my throwing career, it’s hard to say what my preferences are. I do have small hands, so I think I prefer something that’s a little undersized, which is obviously a point in Dietz’s favor. ---
**Author:** ![phil\_the\_lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/91b2a8/32.png) [@phil\_the\_lizard](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/phil_the_lizard)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/4 "2013-02-14T16:57:26Z")
I think that the code 2 is far superior; more stable, more versatile, and full sized is MY personal preference. ---
**Author:** ![Y0Y0SR2PR0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/y0y0sr2pr0/32/1137_2.png) [@Y0Y0SR2PR0](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Y0Y0SR2PR0)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/5 "2013-02-14T19:22:11Z")
get a victory sweet color machined my onedrop and has some feature of the cupcake ---
**Author:** ![olldasmall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3d9bf3/32.png) [@olldasmall](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/olldasmall)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/6 "2013-02-15T00:20:23Z")
the code 2 is amazing. upgrade it to a centertrac bearing if you want more spin time. ---
**Author:** ![TTTYo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/tttyo/32/1280_2.png) [@TTTYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TTTYo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/7 "2013-02-15T00:45:15Z")
I have the code 2, dietz, and soon to be a cupcake. I would say code 2, but that’s because I like full sized yoyo’s. if you are an undersized kind of guy, get the dietz! It is the best undersized in my opinion. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Behemoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/behemoth/32/1291_2.png) [@Behemoth](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Behemoth)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/8 "2013-02-19T16:00:17Z")
Thanks for the feedback, guys. I decided that I wanted to try something a little more full-sized, and I ended up going with a Code 2. I’ll let you know my thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/9 "2013-02-19T16:19:17Z")
> [@Behemoth](#): > > Thanks for the feedback, guys. I decided that I wanted to try something a little more full-sized, and I ended up going with a Code 2. I’ll let you know my thoughts. Try as I might, I cannot see disappointment in your future. Code 2 is a fantastic throw. ---
**Author:** ![A\_Soviet\_Locust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/a_soviet_locust/32/113687_2.png) [@A\_Soviet\_Locust](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/A_Soviet_Locust)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/10 "2013-02-19T16:20:49Z")
> [@olldasmall](#): > > upgrade it to a centertrac bearing if you want more spin time. There is absolutely no proof that the CenterTrac increases spin time. ---
**Author:** ![nunyx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nunyx/32/1287_2.png) [@nunyx](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nunyx)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/11 "2013-02-19T17:16:20Z")
> [@A\_Soviet\_Locust](#): > > > [@olldasmall](#): > > > > upgrade it to a centertrac bearing if you want more spin time. > > There is absolutely no proof that the CenterTrac increases spin time. It helps avoiding the string hitting the response system so, it might help increase the spin time. ---
**Author:** ![YourBBQ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yourbbq/32/7926_2.png) [@YourBBQ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YourBBQ)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/12 "2013-02-19T19:43:16Z")
> [@nunyx](#): > > > [@A\_Soviet\_Locust](#): > > > > > [@olldasmall](#): > > > > > > upgrade it to a centertrac bearing if you want more spin time. > > > > There is absolutely no proof that the CenterTrac increases spin time. > > It helps avoiding the string hitting the response system so, it might help increase the spin time. but it doesn’t have ten balls ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/13 "2013-02-19T19:52:33Z")
> [@YourBBQ](#): > > > [@nunyx](#): > > > > > [@A\_Soviet\_Locust](#): > > > > > > > [@olldasmall](#): > > > > > > > > upgrade it to a centertrac bearing if you want more spin time. > > > > > > There is absolutely no proof that the CenterTrac increases spin time. > > > > It helps avoiding the string hitting the response system so, it might help increase the spin time. > > but it doesn’t have ten balls 10 balls doesn’t equal more spin time. Usually 10 balls means smoother and quieter. Some people who don’t give a hoot about that stuff still prefer 8-ball bearings. Regarding Center Tracs, there’s no need for a body of proof…though I suspect Crucial, Dif-e-Yo, and other makers of centering bearings did some research and testing before issuing and marketing their product. Regardless, the physics are self-evident that keeping a string away from the sidewalls will (ALL other things being equal) reduce friction and therefore increase spin time. Whether the tradeoff for OTHER performance factors is important to you is another story. In other words, they will also bind differently, layer differently, etc. And some people don’t like them for that reason. ---
**Author:** ![Mediumwell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mediumwell/32/1296_2.png) [@Mediumwell](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mediumwell)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/14 "2013-02-19T20:07:15Z")
cupcake is amazing. no one gets the cupcake ☹ oh whale ---
**Author:** ![PlasticWhip](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/plasticwhip/32/896_2.png) [@PlasticWhip](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/PlasticWhip)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/15 "2013-02-19T20:46:21Z")
> [@Mediumwell](#): > > cupcake is amazing. > > no one gets the cupcake ☹ > > oh whale I like whales too. Which one is you favorite? I like Orca’s. ---
**Author:** ![Mediumwell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mediumwell/32/1296_2.png) [@Mediumwell](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mediumwell)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/16 "2013-02-19T20:47:23Z")
killer whales. with machine guns. ---
**Author:** ![PlasticWhip](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/plasticwhip/32/896_2.png) [@PlasticWhip](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/PlasticWhip)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/okay-i-hate-to-ask-this-but-i-need-some-help-deciding/49485/17 "2013-02-19T20:55:13Z")
> [@Mediumwell](#): > > killer whales. > > with machine guns. I guess we like the same kind of whales then…