# New Sengoku **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [April 29, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270 "2016-04-29T21:54:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![saintrobyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/saintrobyn/32/54_2.png) [@saintrobyn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saintrobyn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/1 "2016-04-29T21:54:35Z")
I got a new yo-yo in for review… and well I will just let the photo speak for itself. Meet the Masamini next to its bigger brother, the Masamune. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/4/0/e/40e6286f69b46712032ad1c541bf8b40c061d674.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Zorro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zorro/32/206266_2.png) [@Zorro](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Zorro)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2016, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/2 "2016-04-29T23:08:05Z")
I really want a Masamini, I just can’t afford one. ---
**Author:** ![VyVyTheYoYoGuy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vyvytheyoyoguy/32/7980_2.png) [@VyVyTheYoYoGuy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/VyVyTheYoYoGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2016, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/3 "2016-04-29T23:56:55Z")
Where can I purchase one of these? PM Me if you have a B!ST Tondo F/T ---
**Author:** ![Kristiawan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kristiawan/32/366_2.png) [@Kristiawan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kristiawan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/4 "2016-04-30T00:01:13Z")
really curious about how it play ;D ---
**Author:** ![mrciurleo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a183cd/32.png) [@mrciurleo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrciurleo)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2016, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/5 "2016-04-30T00:13:18Z")
> [@VyVyTheYoYoGuy](#): > > Where can I purchase one of these? > > PM Me if you have a B!ST Tondo F/T As far as I know, they had to be bought directly. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.ARK93](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mr.ark93/32/1646_2.png) [@Mr.ARK93](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mr.ARK93)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/6 "2016-04-30T00:26:39Z")
Masamini?! :o When was it released? The date, to be exact? ---
**Author:** ![AngryGumball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/angrygumball/32/683872_2.png) [@AngryGumball](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AngryGumball)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2016, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/7 "2016-04-30T04:24:04Z")
Masamini! _reaches toward screen to snatch it from your hands…and realizes it’s just a photo_ I really want to get one of these silly-looking throws! I’m becoming quite a fan of Sengoku’s throws (Currently own the Kenshin which is becoming one of my favorites, and a Hideyoshi). Sengoku’s really creating some fresh things that in my eyes, make it a must own even with my broad collection of throws. I’ve heard that they did a very limited run for select people but will be doing a full run down the road. Hopefully soon, I really want to get my hands on one! ---
**Author:** ![Sanchez202](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sanchez202](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sanchez202)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2016, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/8 "2016-04-30T06:44:25Z")
It’s definitely a yoyo you want to have. It’s an absolute beast! ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2016, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/9 "2016-04-30T08:51:20Z")
It may look a little odd, but this thing is the real deal. I don’t know about you, but whenever I pick up a sub 50mm diameter throw, I become very vigilant in what I’m doing with it. The Masamini is the first extreme undersized throw where I’ve felt I don’t need to be. It can handle your combos with ease. ---
**Author:** ![yoyodoc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyodoc/32/48820_2.png) [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2016, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/10 "2016-04-30T11:29:48Z")
> [@AngryGumball](#): > > Masamini! _reaches toward screen to snatch it from your hands…and realizes it’s just a photo_ > > I really want to get one of these silly-looking throws! I’m becoming quite a fan of Sengoku’s throws (Currently own the Kenshin which is becoming one of my favorites, and a Hideyoshi). Sengoku’s really creating some fresh things that in my eyes, make it a must own even with my broad collection of throws. > > I’ve heard that they did a very limited run for select people but will be doing a full run down the road. Hopefully soon, I really want to get my hands on one! That is correct… Actually I agree with everything you said, lol. I’ve had a blue Masamini since middle of March. If you ever have a chance to try one; this is what you should do first. Get a pencil and paper. Write down a list of the 10 top reasons you either don’t like or are just plain skeptical about small yoyos. Then throw a Masamini for about 30 minutes. Put down the Yoyo and pick up the paper and the pencil. Make sure the pencil has a good eraser on it. Erase all your misconceptions. If the paper is blank when you finish; don’t be surprised​🤓 ---
**Author:** ![saintrobyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/saintrobyn/32/54_2.png) [@saintrobyn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saintrobyn)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/11 "2016-04-30T15:02:12Z")
> [@yoyodoc](#): > > That is correct… > > Actually I agree with everything you said, lol. > > I’ve had a blue Masamini since middle of March. > > If you ever have a chance to try one; this is what you should do first. Get a pencil and paper. Write down a list of the 10 top reasons you either don’t like or are just plain skeptical about small yoyos. > > Then throw a Masamini for about 30 minutes. > > Put down the Yoyo and pick up the paper and the pencil. > > Make sure the pencil has a good eraser on it. > > Erase all your misconceptions. > > If the paper is blank when you finish; don’t be surprised🤓 It does play like it’s full size counter part. I found it to be a little shocking on my initial throw. I am not new to the small yo-yo party, my favorite was the ILYY St. Eel from back in the day. This plays unlike any other mini I have had. I would have to say the paper would be blank. One thing about minis that people bring up are that they are harder to land, and that is true to a point. Smaller means smaller target… on the plus side, once you master a mini, big yo-yos become easier to use. > [@Mr.ARK93](#): > > Masamini?! :o When was it released? The date, to be exact? I am not sure. Julio made several that went to friends. I am actually using his unmarked prototype for the upcoming review, he had none remaining from the initial batch to send. He has stated that he will be making an expanded run in the future. I do not have an exact date but I have heard “Late May” being bantered about for a release date. ---
**Author:** ![AngryGumball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/angrygumball/32/683872_2.png) [@AngryGumball](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AngryGumball)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/12 "2016-04-30T16:45:36Z")
> [@yoyodoc](#): > > That is correct… > > Actually I agree with everything you said, lol. > > I’ve had a blue Masamini since middle of March. > > If you ever have a chance to try one; this is what you should do first. Get a pencil and paper. Write down a list of the 10 top reasons you either don’t like or are just plain skeptical about small yoyos. > > Then throw a Masamini for about 30 minutes. > > Put down the Yoyo and pick up the paper and the pencil. > > Make sure the pencil has a good eraser on it. > > Erase all your misconceptions. > > If the paper is blank when you finish; don’t be surprised🤓 Also agreed, this looks like it will play much better than other mini yoyos I’ve played and owned. There’s one other undersized yoyo I love to death and that is my yyj karma,seems to keep up with the big boys. ---
**Author:** ![saintrobyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/saintrobyn/32/54_2.png) [@saintrobyn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saintrobyn)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/13 "2016-05-01T15:13:10Z")
> [@AngryGumball](#): > > Also agreed, this looks like it will play much better than other mini yoyos I’ve played and owned. > > There’s one other undersized yoyo I love to death and that is my yyj karma,seems to keep up with the big boys. > > ']YoYoExpert mobile app[/URL] I have not played a Karma before, never realized it was a mini. I will have to find one and try it out. ---
**Author:** ![AngryGumball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/angrygumball/32/683872_2.png) [@AngryGumball](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AngryGumball)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/14 "2016-05-01T15:39:43Z")
I dunno if I would call the Karma a true mini as it’s 50mm or so. All smaller than my other bimetal throws and my best playing 50mm and under throw. ---
**Author:** ![Pineapple\_Jumpsuit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pineapple_jumpsuit/32/1431_2.png) [@Pineapple\_Jumpsuit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pineapple_Jumpsuit)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/15 "2016-05-01T16:17:11Z")
> [@AngryGumball](#): > > I dunno if I would call it a true mini as it’s 50mm or so. All smaller than my other bimetal throws and my best playing 50mm and under throw. > > ']YoYoExpert mobile app[/URL] disregard this I didn’t understand the quote ---
**Author:** ![yoyodoc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyodoc/32/48820_2.png) [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2016, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/16 "2016-05-01T23:38:22Z")
The Karma is ‘not’ a Mini. Compare the specs of both yoyo links below. I don’t know of anybody that ever considered the 888 a mini🤔 So why would anybody even entertain the thought that a Karma could be a ‘mini’? > **[YoYoJam](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/yoyojam)** > > YoYoJam made some of the best beginner to advanced yo-yos on the market, all exclusively manufactured right here in the USA!  With over dozens of signature series models produced, their yo-yos are designed for the player by the... > **[YoYoFactory](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/yoyofactory)** > > YoYoFactory was born in 2004 with a focus on functional technology to improve the playing experience. This has been a goal of the company which relies on the experience gathered from over 30 years of demonstrating yoyos around the planet. The end... Funny stuff ---
**Author:** ![saintrobyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/saintrobyn/32/54_2.png) [@saintrobyn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saintrobyn)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/17 "2016-05-01T23:53:13Z")
> [@yoyodoc](#): > > The Karma is ‘not’ a Mini. Compare the specs of both yoyo links below. I don’t know of anybody that ever considered the 888 a mini🤔 > > So why would anybody even entertain the thought that a Karma could be a ‘mini’? > > [YoYoJam – YoYoExpert](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/532/YYJ-Karma) > > [YoYoFactory – YoYoExpert](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/38/YYF-888) > > Funny stuff Simple, because I was tired and misread the width as the diameter. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AngryGumball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/angrygumball/32/683872_2.png) [@AngryGumball](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AngryGumball)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/18 "2016-05-02T00:29:28Z")
I should have saved the headache and said that the karma was undersized. ---
**Author:** ![saintrobyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/saintrobyn/32/54_2.png) [@saintrobyn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saintrobyn)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-sengoku/80270/19 "2016-05-02T02:55:27Z")
> [@AngryGumball](#): > > I should have saved the headache and said that the karma was undersized. > > ']YoYoExpert mobile app[/URL] Nah, no headaches were given so none to be saved from. 🙂