# New from Sengoku - The ERCIM! **URL:** \ **Category:** YoYoExpert Releases and Restocks\ **Created:** [July 29, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075 "2019-07-29T21:26:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Legit\_yoyostrings](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/legit_yoyostrings/32/136873_2.png) [@Legit\_yoyostrings](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Legit_yoyostrings)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/22 "2019-07-30T01:27:51Z")
I wonder if you took out the inner cups and made a place for the Axel to screw into and a place to put responsibility pads If you could make them a smaller yoyo ---
**Author:** ![NeoHamster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/neohamster/32/1550_2.png) [@NeoHamster](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NeoHamster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/23 "2019-07-30T01:28:34Z")
oh, im bad to detect sarcasm, if thats the case, i apologize, Glenn rocks, i was actually wondering if he had a bad sunday 😛 ---
**Author:** ![NeoHamster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/neohamster/32/1550_2.png) [@NeoHamster](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NeoHamster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/24 "2019-07-30T01:33:26Z")
Not really. Both play differently. Samurai is geared towards competition, ERCIM is much more experimental, more casual. With the Samurai, I knew what i was expecting. The ERCIM is the first yoyo i made that i had no idea how it will play. it was more like a crazy idea about a yoyo emerging from another. I was actually expecting something not too good that won´t pass the proto stage. It turned surprisingly fun, made a couple tweaks and voila! ---
**Author:** ![twitch77](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/twitch77/32/60219_2.png) [@twitch77](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/twitch77)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/25 "2019-07-30T01:33:39Z")
haha I was wondering the same thing! I also wonder if One Drop side effects would fit in there (I highly doubt it). ---
**Author:** ![NeoHamster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/neohamster/32/1550_2.png) [@NeoHamster](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NeoHamster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/26 "2019-07-30T01:41:52Z")
> [@Legit\_yoyostrings](#): > > I wonder if you took out the inner cups and made a place for the Axel to screw into and a place to put responsibility pads If you could make them a smaller yoyo the response pads are in the bigger cup, while the axle is attached to the small one. not functional, but looks cool ![67943810_1319191794899231_9117814153174581248_n](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/6/7/f/67fb84631985f262445591b9825c752aecfad609.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![NeoHamster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/neohamster/32/1550_2.png) [@NeoHamster](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NeoHamster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/27 "2019-07-30T01:43:37Z")
nope, it is not compatible with side effects. the idea of that cup is very different from the side effects idea. Actually i wanted to make it in one piece, but the machine can´t reach. that is why it is made in 4 parts ---
**Author:** ![EOS44](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eos44/32/47059_2.png) [@EOS44](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EOS44)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/28 "2019-07-30T02:20:22Z")
> [@NeoHamster](#): > > ![67943810_1319191794899231_9117814153174581248_n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/images/transparent.png) yo @RyoCanCan is this enough for you? ---
**Author:** ![rockstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rockstar/32/19803_2.png) [@rockstar](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rockstar)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/29 "2019-07-30T02:20:47Z")
This is a unique design…i would love to give this a throw…I’m sure how-ever-it feels…I think it would be stable, smooth, and powerful…you can throw anything at it and it’s made by one of the best YoYo company’s in Japan! The price is the only issue I would have to say $170.00 plus is Way Too Much! ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/30 "2019-07-30T02:21:45Z")
> [@rockstar](#): > > The price is the only issue I would have to say $170.00 plus is Way Too Much! It’s $117.99. ---
**Author:** ![NeoHamster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/neohamster/32/1550_2.png) [@NeoHamster](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NeoHamster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/31 "2019-07-30T02:24:00Z")
> [@vegabomb](#): > > It’s $117.99 that ---
**Author:** ![rockstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rockstar/32/19803_2.png) [@rockstar](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rockstar)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/32 "2019-07-30T02:26:52Z")
My bad… but $117.00 is too much, ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/33 "2019-07-30T02:33:40Z")
Too much to spend on a yo-yo in general? What do you think yoyos should be priced at? ---
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/34 "2019-07-30T02:49:17Z")
For everyone asking how it plays, I’ll make sure we have a couple at Worlds to try out. As long as they don’t sell out first of course! If you won’t be at worlds I’ll share my first thoughts; I was skeptical of the design at first, but the first few throws really changed my mind. Really fast and light feeling on the string, easily maneuverable and nimble with impressive stability even off plane. I thought the protruding cups might be an issue snagging strings, but I only managed to catch them once while intentionally playing kind of sloppily, doesn’t seem to be an issue. Plays great overall. I will add It’s a little sharp for me, but that’s just my personal preference, I feel that way about most angular yo-yos. 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/35 "2019-07-30T03:00:09Z")
> [@NeoHamster](#): > > Yeah, look at all that center weight. That CAN´T POSSIBLE be worth throwing.” Center towards the bearing hinders spin, while horizontal center weight is actually is good for stability. I wouldn’t release a yoyo with bad or mediocre performance. > I got why you think that way, but i assure you, it is a false assumption. I want to make it very clear that I was being extremely sarcastic when I said that. Mostly of my favourite yoyos have a generous amount of centerweight. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/36 "2019-07-30T03:01:20Z")
> [@zslane](#): > > Glenacius was being facetious. I personally feel that snark is a not a good look on him You’re right, it was unnecessarily snarky. I’m sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![RyoCanCan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ryocancan/32/163437_2.png) [@RyoCanCan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/RyoCanCan)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/37 "2019-07-30T06:03:54Z")
Now that’s more like it! ---
**Author:** ![Legit\_yoyostrings](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/legit_yoyostrings/32/136873_2.png) [@Legit\_yoyostrings](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Legit_yoyostrings)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/38 "2019-07-30T13:08:57Z")
this is my new favourite throw ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 5:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/39 "2020-11-11T05:14:14Z")
> [@NeoHamster](#): > > Center towards the bearing hinders spin, while horizontal center weight is actually is good for stability. Could you explain that a bit further, @NeoHamster? Do long axles fall under the horizontal centerweight category? ---
**Author:** ![yobuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e9a140/32.png) [@yobuzz](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yobuzz)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/40 "2020-11-11T05:17:34Z")
I can respect a good finger spin cup. This looks insane tho. ---
**Author:** ![NeoHamster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/neohamster/32/1550_2.png) [@NeoHamster](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NeoHamster)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075/41 "2020-11-11T14:40:40Z")
not necessarily. depends on the design. axles doesn´t add much weigh. it is how thick you cover it. With the current machine technology, long axles are in most cases (depend on the design), just a dead weight. (at practical levels, of course, the longer the axle, the less likely to strip the threads, but i insist, nowadays, that problem is less and less common). in short, long axles add durability but hinders performance. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/new-from-sengoku-the-ercim/306075.md?page=1)