# need help picking out yoyo **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [October 21, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612 "2009-10-21T01:56:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mrsnipes82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@mrsnipes82](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrsnipes82)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/1 "2009-10-21T01:56:04Z")
Hey, I was wondering if anyone could help me pick out a new yoyo, id be in intermediate to a1. Ive been looking at the pgm with stacks, and the dark magic. It would be great if you could tell me wich one you think is better etc. I would want an inresponsive yoyo thats $40ish at most and definitly butterfly shape, I would preferably like it to be metal but if its good and its not thats ok too.I would also like it to be a pretty good size witch is about the size of a legacy or a little smaller is ok but no smaller than the chain reactor. so tell me anything good. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/2 "2009-10-21T02:08:34Z")
You could just stick with your Legacy. It’s a great yoyo. You could get the PGM or the Dark Magic, both are great yoyos. I liked the PGM more than the Dark Magic, but that’s just me. It’s different for everyone. Both are similar in size, weight, and shape (kinda). ---
**Author:** ![mrsnipes82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@mrsnipes82](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrsnipes82)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/3 "2009-10-21T10:33:52Z")
the legacy is my friends that hers lending to me ---
**Author:** ![helioNXG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@helioNXG](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/helioNXG)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/4 "2009-10-21T11:03:07Z")
dark magic ---
**Author:** ![mrsnipes82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@mrsnipes82](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrsnipes82)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/5 "2009-10-21T19:06:18Z")
why? Also if you have any suggestions I would like you to tell me how long it sleeps. ---
**Author:** ![helioNXG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@helioNXG](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/helioNXG)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/6 "2009-10-21T23:19:23Z")
did you se andre using dark magic for all the tuts? and [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/b/5/eb50d22e019cc61aed55aac5532242bd82c30c22.jpeg "Operation Dark Magic - Featuring Yo-Yo Tricks by André Boulay") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pZSRoJWP28) [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/f/7/b/f7b0ca78f5802557bb7abeac17641f91b4d4227a.jpeg "Operation Dark Magic Two") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LW6NxSFn24) it thumbgrinds good too ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/7 "2009-10-21T23:38:10Z")
The Legacy also thumb grinds well, as do many others. It sounds like you like the Legacy, so why not get your own, or a Dark Magic if you feel like it? ---
**Author:** ![mrsnipes82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@mrsnipes82](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrsnipes82)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/8 "2009-10-22T01:12:35Z")
actually i hate the legacy because at lest my friends dosent work well and I dont really want to take the chances of that happening to me ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/9 "2009-10-22T01:19:03Z")
What doesn’t work on it? ---
**Author:** ![mrsnipes82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@mrsnipes82](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrsnipes82)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/10 "2009-10-22T18:50:23Z")
well it only sleeps for about 25 secs untill it spins out, its responsive when it shouldnt be and when you throw it it goes lopsided ---
**Author:** ![mrsnipes82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@mrsnipes82](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrsnipes82)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/11 "2009-10-22T18:55:01Z")
hey that dm vid was nice it would be great if someone could show me one like that for the gm… :🙂 ---
**Author:** ![shmoe93](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/shmoe93/32/239_2.png) [@shmoe93](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/shmoe93)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/12 "2009-10-22T19:19:54Z")
it sounds like you need to work on your throw and to make it unresponsive use thin grease ---
**Author:** ![mrsnipes82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@mrsnipes82](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrsnipes82)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/13 "2009-10-22T19:22:18Z")
I have a good throw and I dont have thin grease, I’m just really not liking the legacy ---
**Author:** ![JM1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jm1/32/135_2.png) [@JM1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JM1)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/14 "2009-10-22T19:33:04Z")
It being responsive isn’t any error of yours, but it going lopsided is. A few recommendations that I could make are: Under $20 [YYF DIE-NASTY](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/89/YYF-DIE-NASTY) super smooth, AWESOME value [YYJ Lyn Fury](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/12/YYJ-Lyn-Fury) Hit or miss as far as responsiveness goes, but you can set it up either way yourself Under $30ish [YYF Plastic Grind Machine v2](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/32/YYF-Grind-Machine) hubstacks are FUN [YYF Counter Attack](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/90/YYF-Counter-Attack) truly a very impressive yo-yo Also, [YYJ Dark Magic](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/4/YYJ-Dark-Magic) ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/15 "2009-10-22T19:49:16Z")
And also, it spinning out that soon is kind of your fault and kind of not. Work on getting a strong straight throw and that will help. Jason, how do you get the links like that? I don’t know what the thing for it is. ---
**Author:** ![JM1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jm1/32/135_2.png) [@JM1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JM1)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/16 "2009-10-22T20:01:26Z")
> [@10 10010 1001 1 1110](#): > > And also, it spinning out that soon is kind of your fault and kind of not. Work on getting a strong straight throw and that will help. > > Jason, how do you get the links like that? I don’t know what the thing for it is. ```auto [url=whatever the url is]Whatever you want the text to say[/url] ``` ---
**Author:** ![mrsnipes82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@mrsnipes82](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrsnipes82)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/17 "2009-10-26T00:24:07Z")
hmmmm ok I’m torn. I spoke to James!!! and he said its kind of overated he thinks and that I should go with the dark magic. does anyone know if I could return one of the yoyos for the other one and it has no dings or scratches or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/18 "2009-10-26T01:28:23Z")
You might be able to, but most likely you’ll just have to trade/sell it to somebody. ---
**Author:** ![mrsnipes82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@mrsnipes82](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrsnipes82)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/19 "2009-10-26T19:08:13Z")
ok i gotta go with the pgm because i don’t have the money for dv888 but what color should get white or black and green. I think white but ii heard its a little disappointing. ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612/20 "2009-10-26T23:27:14Z")
As said times before, go with the color you like better. Some people love one color and some hate that same color. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/need-help-picking-out-yoyo/7612.md?page=2)