# My fault - but confusing **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Mods and Maintenance\ **Created:** [October 14, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068 "2021-10-14T19:14:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![fos1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fos1/32/150706_2.png) [@fos1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fos1)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/1 "2021-10-14T19:14:13Z")
After watching the videos and reviews for the Loop2020, I expected the yoyo to be flexible and modifiable. On the review and order page it showed a picture of the system modification parts. The Loop2020 does not come with those parts. Upon discovery, I went back to the order page and order what I though would be parts for the yoyo. The parts I ordered are evidently only one size of an axle. Upon looking further, the “parts kits” in the drop down menu are also very partial kits. I guess you just have to spend quite a bit to get a collection of parts that are specific to the Loop2020. Maybe a Loop720 or better yet a Raider are much better options. PS. The Raider is a better option. The Loop 2020 was evidently a limited run. As with many premium yoyos, snatch them up quick. ☹ v/r Jeff ---
**Author:** ![anon14765792](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@anon14765792](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon14765792)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/2 "2021-10-14T21:19:21Z")
I can order the loop 2020 here on YYE now if I wanted to. It’s not out of stock nor is it a limited run. And why do you think the loop720 or the raider are better? ---
**Author:** ![fos1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fos1/32/150706_2.png) [@fos1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fos1)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/3 "2021-10-14T21:53:24Z")
It is true they do still have some stock of Loop2020 at YYE. They also have a selection of the parts, piecemeal. With ala carte parts purchasing cost is very high. The Loop2020 is no longer in production base upon the information at the YoYo Factory’s own website. The Loop2020 is listed as no longer available. The “system” approach was a cool idea but if it cannot be supported for the long term it isn’t worth the investment, at least for a hobbyist like me. A Raider works out of the box and doesn’t require much tweaking if any. There are certainly better alternatives such as the Match, the RaiderEX, the Sunrise and others. Most of the “loopers” are plastic yoyos and therefore easily and inexpensively replaceable. You don’t need the Rube Goldberg engineering of the 2020 that is probably more prone to Mruphy’s Law. Just my opinion, everybody has one. YMMV ---
**Author:** ![anon14765792](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@anon14765792](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon14765792)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/4 "2021-10-14T21:58:43Z")
> [@fos1](#): > > The Loop2020 is no longer in production base upon the information at the YoYo Factory’s own website. Oh no I hope this isn’t true. Can you share the link to the website please where you have read that? ---
**Author:** ![fos1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fos1/32/150706_2.png) [@fos1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fos1)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/5 "2021-10-14T22:08:33Z")
[https://www.yoyofactory.com/yoyos?category=Looping](https://www.yoyofactory.com/yoyos?category=Looping) The Loop2020 is not available anywhere on the YoyoFactor site. When you search the rewind and members only sections as well you will find it unavailable. ---
**Author:** ![anon14765792](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@anon14765792](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon14765792)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/6 "2021-10-14T22:09:56Z")
Is it really true that they’re not in production anymore? No way ---
**Author:** ![anon14765792](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@anon14765792](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon14765792)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/7 "2021-10-14T22:22:21Z")
> [@fos1](#): > > They also have a selection of the parts, piecemeal. With ala carte parts purchasing cost is very high. I think the price is fair. A pair of response pads costs 2$ and for 4$ you can buy a pair of starbursts and starbursts last almost forever. If you want to buy two loop 2020s with all the available axles, starbursts and spacers it will cost you 89.94$. I think that price is ok. ---
**Author:** ![mable](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mable/32/194074_2.png) [@mable](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mable)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/8 "2021-10-14T22:42:49Z")
The price of the Loop 2020 honestly seemed pretty cheap for what it was offering. The Loop Up is the only thing I know of that’s seemed comparable and it looks like it’s a bit more expensive to get one plus try all the optional parts. I don’t really see going out of production as much of an issue though. That’s just the nature of yoyos in general, a small hobby with limited runs of things unless there’s a big continued demand for it. ---
**Author:** ![yyfben2.deactivated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ccd318/32.png) [@yyfben2.deactivated](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yyfben2.deactivated)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/9 "2021-10-14T22:43:19Z")
Loop 2020 is still being made. We continue to stock all parts. We added Ti axles Next stock release will be prebuilt led versions where 2020 is unmatched. ---
**Author:** ![anon14765792](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@anon14765792](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon14765792)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/10 "2021-10-14T22:44:04Z")
Ben, can the batteries inside the led caps be replaced? ---
**Author:** ![yyfben2.deactivated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ccd318/32.png) [@yyfben2.deactivated](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yyfben2.deactivated)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/11 "2021-10-14T22:44:18Z")
2020 solves a lot of problems but it creates a bunch too. It’s not the yoyo for everyone but it has its place. ---
**Author:** ![yyfben2.deactivated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ccd318/32.png) [@yyfben2.deactivated](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yyfben2.deactivated)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/12 "2021-10-14T22:45:16Z")
Yes. You take the caps off and they are easy to remove. I feel The brightness of the leds and on off switch make them superior to any other light up. ---
**Author:** ![anon14765792](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@anon14765792](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon14765792)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/13 "2021-10-14T22:45:51Z")
Thanks ---
**Author:** ![fos1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fos1/32/150706_2.png) [@fos1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fos1)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/14 "2021-10-14T23:15:40Z")
Maybe you could add a presence to your website? As it is, you would never know. ---
**Author:** ![yyfben2.deactivated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ccd318/32.png) [@yyfben2.deactivated](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yyfben2.deactivated)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/15 "2021-10-14T23:43:32Z")
You are welcome 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![fos1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fos1/32/150706_2.png) [@fos1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fos1)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2021, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/16 "2021-10-18T12:47:20Z")
I received my Loop2020 on Friday. It feels very nice in the hand. It’s surface texture and density are exceptional. The 2020 wants to loop! I was relieved when yyfben2 commented that they were continuing to produce the 2020 and it would be available on their website again soon. In any case, I ordered a second 2020 to make it a pair and a comprehensive set of modification parts for each. I guess I’m not confused any longer! That is a feat in itself! :wink: Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![fos1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fos1/32/150706_2.png) [@fos1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fos1)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/17 "2021-10-20T21:05:59Z")
I received my large order of parts for the Loop2020 System today. I purchased 2 of every kit and part available. The order totaled about $150. I expected the Type 1, 2, and 3 parts kits to include bearings. The Loop2020 specification calls for a YoYo Factoy YYF SPEC XS bearings. I cannot find a listing in the YYE store for that bearing. Anyone know of a source? Thank you PS. I checked the YoYo Factory Store. That bearing is sold out! Yikes! ---
**Author:** ![anon14765792](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@anon14765792](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon14765792)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/18 "2021-10-20T21:39:21Z")
You can purchase this bearing here > **[YoYoFactory Bearings](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/yyf-yoyo-bearing?_pos=3&_sid=b9b7a5604&_ss=r&variant=18870471620)** > > These are replacement bearings for your YoYoFactory yo-yos.The Small Spec Bearing is a high quality Size A (5x10x4 mm) stainless steel bearing yo-yo for small bearing compatible yo-yos.The Large Spec Bearing is a Size C (.250 x .500 x .187) and fits... The loop 2020 already includes these bearings. You don’t need to order them unless you want replacement bearings ---
**Author:** ![fos1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fos1/32/150706_2.png) [@fos1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fos1)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/19 "2021-10-20T21:43:47Z")
OK. I saw those but I wasn’t sure it would work for the 2020. I have ordered a couple. Thank you for your help! ---
**Author:** ![anon14765792](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@anon14765792](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon14765792)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068/20 "2021-10-22T21:05:01Z")
Jeff, if you haven’t made your order yet you can consider getting this product > **[SUNRiSE Spacer and Bearing Kit](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/sunrise-spacer-and-bearing-kit-by-iyoyo?_pos=2&_sid=0dd85ae78&_ss=r&variant=39250686607550)** > > The iYoYo SUNRiSE Spacer and Bearing kit features custom machined metal spacers for the classic YoYoJam Looping Small Bearing that fits right into a YoYoFactory Loop 720 body. Each pack comes with 4 spacers and 2 bearings to give your looping setup a... these can fit a loop 2020 according to yoyoexpert staff. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/my-fault-but-confusing/346068.md?page=2)