# MVP should be changed to MAP! Most AWESOME Player.. **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [October 24, 2009, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693 "2009-10-24T03:46:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/21 "2009-10-25T01:49:38Z")
I still think all of you people complaining are full of crap. YoYoFactory can make whatever the hell they want and it’ll still play amazing, so what’s with the hating? If it doesn’t interest you don’t buy it. ---
**Author:** ![nyjaj23](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nyjaj23/32/265_2.png) [@nyjaj23](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nyjaj23)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/22 "2009-10-25T01:56:35Z")
I think its meant to be Most Valuable Player like in sports. ---
**Author:** ![Zer0F3AR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zer0f3ar/32/348572_2.png) [@Zer0F3AR](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Zer0F3AR)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/23 "2009-10-25T02:17:58Z")
> [@yoyoguy1994](#): > > I still think all of you people complaining are full of crap. YoYoFactory can make whatever the hell they want and it’ll still play amazing, so what’s with the hating? If it doesn’t interest you don’t buy it. chill out dude. Lay off with the semi bad words, dont want to influence anything… ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/24 "2009-10-25T02:25:23Z")
> [@nyjaj23](#): > > the lunatic is a smaller severe. And the mvp is a big C22 or C13. It probably plays like crap compared to one. Severes are probably one of the best things ever made since chocolate milk. ---
**Author:** ![Adam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/adam/32/263_2.png) [@Adam](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Adam)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/25 "2009-10-25T02:32:35Z")
> [@Logan](#): > > > [@nyjaj23](#): > > > > the lunatic is a smaller severe. And the mvp is a big C22 or C13. > > It probably plays like crap compared to one. Severes are probably one of the best things ever made since chocolate milk. I heard that. ---
**Author:** ![Smoke770077](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Smoke770077](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Smoke770077)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/26 "2009-10-25T02:34:50Z")
> [@Logan](#): > > > [@nyjaj23](#): > > > > the lunatic is a smaller severe. And the mvp is a big C22 or C13. > > It probably plays like crap compared to one. Severes are probably one of the best things ever made since chocolate milk. is that a Crucial yoyo? ;D ---
**Author:** ![JUMP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jump/32/274_2.png) [@JUMP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JUMP)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/27 "2009-10-25T02:38:41Z")
> [@Mitch](#): > > > [@Logan](#): > > > > > [@nyjaj23](#): > > > > > > the lunatic is a smaller severe. And the mvp is a big C22 or C13. > > > > It probably plays like crap compared to one. Severes are probably one of the best things ever made since chocolate milk. > > is that a Crucial yoyo? ;D No, he just meant chocolate milk, like the drink. ---
**Author:** ![tyler3490](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/tyler3490/32/77_2.png) [@tyler3490](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/tyler3490)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/28 "2009-10-25T02:43:54Z")
i think the new products are great for the community, i feel theyre just coming too fast, most of the new stuff isnt even widely available, and for the bulk of the yoyoing community theyre releasing yoyos faster than people can buy them (that doesnt go for everyone) ---
**Author:** ![Smoke770077](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Smoke770077](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Smoke770077)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/29 "2009-10-25T02:49:39Z")
> [@JUMP](#): > > > [@Mitch](#): > > > > > [@Logan](#): > > > > > > > [@nyjaj23](#): > > > > > > > > the lunatic is a smaller severe. And the mvp is a big C22 or C13. > > > > > > It probably plays like crap compared to one. Severes are probably one of the best things ever made since chocolate milk. > > > > is that a Crucial yoyo? ;D > > No, he just meant chocolate milk, like the drink. I know… I was just being facetious… I wish there was a store where I could try yoyos… Like I want a C13 but I prefer large yoyos… and now theres a kinda big C13 (never even thought of it…) but It would still be cool to try them > [@kevlar14](#): > > > [@Samad](#): > > > > > [@yoyofactoryben](#): > > > > > > We make enough variety of product that we can create tailored amazing product to suit a many specific styles of players. > > La verite. > > Although, I think YYF could have done this in an alternative way that still has the same effect, but not with the redundancy of multiple yo-yo’s with the same concept. If instead, YYF for instead sold a Catch 13 on YoYoExpert, and had multiple choices for size, weight, etc. in addition color and bearing size, It could possibly simplify the process of creating a different yo-yo for each need. > This proposal obviously has lots of flaws, for instance, complicating the manufacturing process, but it’s just a thought. They could always do the One Drop thing… But I think this is what their going for. Theres the 888 and DNA C13, MVP Severe, Lunatic… I wish I noticed this earlier… I ---
**Author:** ![JUMP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jump/32/274_2.png) [@JUMP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JUMP)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/30 "2009-10-25T03:32:01Z")
And the Superstar and the Skyline. ---
**Author:** ![Samad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samad/32/19_2.png) [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 4:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/31 "2009-10-25T04:55:28Z")
I love how most of you can judge a yoyo plays like crap without playing it, let alone even seeing it in person. When it comes down to it, YoYoFactory is running a business. And those of you who say they are recycling ideas are correct in a sense, though Ben gave us an example why. > [@Logan](#): > > > [@nyjaj23](#): > > > > the lunatic is a smaller severe. And the mvp is a big C22 or C13. > > It probably plays like crap compared to one. Severes are probably one of the best things ever made since chocolate milk. Just because the Severe is a good yoyo, doesn’t mean the Lunatic isn’t. You need to rethink what you say. > [@kevlar14](#): > > > [@Samad](#): > > > > > [@yoyofactoryben](#): > > > > > > We make enough variety of product that we can create tailored amazing product to suit a many specific styles of players. > > La verite. > > Although, I think YYF could have done this in an alternative way that still has the same effect, but not with the redundancy of multiple yo-yo’s with the same concept. If instead, YYF for instead sold a Catch 13 on YoYoExpert, and had multiple choices for size, weight, etc. in addition color and bearing size, It could possibly simplify the process of creating a different yo-yo for each need. > This proposal obviously has lots of flaws, for instance, complicating the manufacturing process, but it’s just a thought. Right right right. So we should make one model, then make that model a little bigger, a different bearing size, different response, different price, and different features, and release them under the same name. That makes sense, right? Most of you assume YoYoFactory is just trying to make a quick buck, when the reality is, they are a main source of inspiration and support for the community. See how it is right now? It wouldn’t be anything like this without YoYoFactory. So pay your respects. You can dislike YYF for some reasons, and you can even dislike the people, but when you assume idiotic things about them, you’re crossing a line that really makes you look like a dumbass. Way to go. Painfully Disappointed, ~Samad ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/32 "2009-10-25T19:36:50Z")
You people are wack. Samad is the only legit person on YYE. High five, Samad. /Thread ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/33 "2009-10-25T20:33:24Z")
YoYoFactory isn’t an old company (6 years!) but we do have a herritage and design philosphys which are apparent in what we do. Before YoYofactory we also have a history in bringing innovation to yo-yos and you would be hard pressed to find a modern yo-yo that hasnt been influenced by our innovations. The MVP profile with its extreme low wall and maxed rim weight has evolved from catch 22 through Frantic and C13 and finally for the 1st time to a full sized and full weight yo-yo. If we dropped the design concept here people wouldnt have a chance to feel these performance characteristics at this scale. To some this will be awesome, to others, this won’t be your thing. If it isnt your thing don’t worry, we make plenty of other yo-yos and if you look through them I’m pretty sure you will find something close to your thing. Take a look at the USA National contest 1A results where YoYoFactory sponsored players took 7 of the top 9 places. 1st Yuuki Spencer (GENESIS) 4th Chris Frasier (eight8eight) 5th Augie Fash (G5+) 6th John Chow (BOSS) 7th Sterling Quinn (Skyline) 8th Tyler Severance (Severe) 9th Paul Han (DNA) None of them used the same yo-yo. So why should we limit you? ---
**Author:** ![Samad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samad/32/19_2.png) [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/34 "2009-10-26T01:03:23Z")
> [@nyjaj23](#): > > > [@yoyofactoryben](#): > > > > YoYoFactory isn’t an old company (6 years!) but we do have a herritage and design philosphys which are apparent in what we do. Before YoYofactory we also have a history in bringing innovation to yo-yos and you would be hard pressed to find a modern yo-yo that hasnt been influenced by our innovations. > > > > The MVP profile with its extreme low wall and maxed rim weight has evolved from catch 22 through Frantic and C13 and finally for the 1st time to a full sized and full weight yo-yo. If we dropped the design concept here people wouldnt have a chance to feel these performance characteristics at this scale. To some this will be awesome, to others, this won’t be your thing. If it isnt your thing don’t worry, we make plenty of other yo-yos and if you look through them I’m pretty sure you will find something close to your thing. > > > > Take a look at the USA National contest 1A results where YoYoFactory sponsored players took 7 of the top 9 places. > > > > 1st Yuuki Spencer (GENESIS) > > 4th Chris Frasier (eight8eight) > > 5th Augie Fash (G5+) > > 6th John Chow (BOSS) > > 7th Sterling Quinn (Skyline) > > 8th Tyler Severance (Severe) > > 9th Paul Han (DNA) > > > > None of them used the same yo-yo. So why should we limit you? > > You should start to sell g5+'s. I think a lot of people want one and your making a lot of yoyos so why not make one. Because they discontinued them. If you really want a G5+, just get a Superstar. They are incredibly similar. ---
**Author:** ![fusion777](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fusion777/32/231_2.png) [@fusion777](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fusion777)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/35 "2009-10-26T02:26:58Z")
It is a flat-rimmed SS with no hubstacks. Period dot the end. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/36 "2009-10-26T02:56:09Z")
It got to page 3 for anyone to propose that idea 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Samad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samad/32/19_2.png) [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/37 "2009-10-26T22:10:09Z")
> [@yoyofactoryben](#): > > It got to page 3 for anyone to propose that idea 🙂 Now it got a new thread. I’ve already posted another response calling out another person and defending YYF. Man, I love you too much Ben 😛 [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693.md?page=1)