# MVP should be changed to MAP! Most AWESOME Player.. **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [October 24, 2009, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693 "2009-10-24T03:46:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Smoke770077](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Smoke770077](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Smoke770077)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/1 "2009-10-24T03:46:50Z")
Check check check… a Check it out… [http://worldscountdown.googlepages.com/home](http://worldscountdown.googlepages.com/home) YYF MVP!. I wonder if its going to be a FundaMETAL? ---
**Author:** ![Brad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/brad/32/184_2.png) [@Brad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Brad)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 3:53am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/2 "2009-10-24T03:53:16Z")
> [@Mitch](#): > > YYF MVP!. I wonder if its going to be a FundaMETAL? No, it isn’t - its a premium. ---
**Author:** ![Paolo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Paolo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Paolo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/3 "2009-10-24T04:02:25Z")
It looks awesome! Its kinda a “recycled” yoyo, as JM mentioned though. I think it looks like the C13 a quite bit… :-\ ---
**Author:** ![Smoke770077](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Smoke770077](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Smoke770077)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 4:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/4 "2009-10-24T04:06:05Z")
> [@Brad](#): > > > [@Mitch](#): > > > > YYF MVP!. I wonder if its going to be a FundaMETAL? > > No, it isn’t - its a premium. Thats a bummer… Thats what they need for the FundaMETAL line… A solid H like that… Im no longer as excited… > [@Paolo](#): > > It looks awesome! > > Its kinda a “recycled” yoyo, as JM mentioned though. > > I think it looks like the C13 a quite bit… :-\ Im feeling that now… If its premuim and gets stacks and a $120 tag I dont think I’ll pick it up ---
**Author:** ![Shisaki417](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/shisaki417/32/150_2.png) [@Shisaki417](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Shisaki417)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/5 "2009-10-24T04:24:00Z")
Aint diggin’ the size man :-. I like the Lunatic more. ---
**Author:** ![tyler3490](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/tyler3490/32/77_2.png) [@tyler3490](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/tyler3490)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/6 "2009-10-24T04:26:11Z")
> [@Mitch](#): > > > [@Brad](#): > > > > > [@Mitch](#): > > > > > > YYF MVP!. I wonder if its going to be a FundaMETAL? > > > > No, it isn’t - its a premium. > > Thats a bummer… Thats what they need for the FundaMETAL line… A solid H like that… > > Im no longer as excited… > > > [@Paolo](#): > > > > It looks awesome! > > > > Its kinda a “recycled” yoyo, as JM mentioned though. > > > > I think it looks like the C13 a quite bit… :-\ > > Im feeling that now… If its premuim and gets stacks and a $120 tag I dont think I’ll pick it up it doesnt have stacks, ben said it was the first premium without them ---
**Author:** ![Paolo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Paolo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Paolo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 4:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/7 "2009-10-24T04:31:40Z")
> [@tyler3490](#): > > > [@Mitch](#): > > > > > [@Brad](#): > > > > > > > [@Mitch](#): > > > > > > > > YYF MVP!. I wonder if its going to be a FundaMETAL? > > > > > > No, it isn’t - its a premium. > > > > Thats a bummer… Thats what they need for the FundaMETAL line… A solid H like that… > > > > Im no longer as excited… > > > > > [@Paolo](#): > > > > > > It looks awesome! > > > > > > Its kinda a “recycled” yoyo, as JM mentioned though. > > > > > > I think it looks like the C13 a quite bit… :-\ > > > > Im feeling that now… If its premuim and gets stacks and a $120 tag I dont think I’ll pick it up > > it doesnt have stacks, ben said it was the first premium without them Wait…isn’t the BOSS a Premium? ---
**Author:** ![Smoke770077](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Smoke770077](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Smoke770077)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/8 "2009-10-24T04:49:49Z")
> [@Paolo](#): > > > [@tyler3490](#): > > > > > [@Mitch](#): > > > > > > > [@Brad](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Mitch](#): > > > > > > > > > > YYF MVP!. I wonder if its going to be a FundaMETAL? > > > > > > > > No, it isn’t - its a premium. > > > > > > Thats a bummer… Thats what they need for the FundaMETAL line… A solid H like that… > > > > > > Im no longer as excited… > > > > > > > [@Paolo](#): > > > > > > > > It looks awesome! > > > > > > > > Its kinda a “recycled” yoyo, as JM mentioned though. > > > > > > > > I think it looks like the C13 a quite bit… :-\ > > > > > > Im feeling that now… If its premuim and gets stacks and a $120 tag I dont think I’ll pick it up > > > > it doesnt have stacks, ben said it was the first premium without them > > Wait…isn’t the BOSS a Premium? I think the BOSS, SEVERE, and Genesis 135 are part of the Evolution line… Which is like the inbetween of the Premium and the FundaMETAL ---
**Author:** ![Brad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/brad/32/184_2.png) [@Brad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Brad)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/9 "2009-10-24T06:25:37Z")
> [@tyler3490](#): > > it doesnt have stacks, ben said it was the first premium without them Did you see the picture? Completely flat hub, no way to stack (yay). ---
**Author:** ![Smoke770077](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Smoke770077](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Smoke770077)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/10 "2009-10-24T06:45:15Z")
> [@Brad](#): > > > [@tyler3490](#): > > > > it doesnt have stacks, ben said it was the first premium without them > > Did you see the picture? Completely flat hub, no way to stack (yay). Hmm… hope fully they will art it up some… I’ve lost alot of interest while this thread has been going ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/11 "2009-10-24T07:06:23Z")
I see a C13… ---
**Author:** ![Smoke770077](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Smoke770077](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Smoke770077)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/12 "2009-10-24T07:15:23Z")
> [@JonasK](#): > > I see a C13… I guess I can see it… The C13’s big full sized brother… ---
**Author:** ![Adam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/adam/32/263_2.png) [@Adam](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Adam)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/13 "2009-10-24T10:30:51Z")
I think a few of yoyofactory’s releases are just copied ideas of previous yoyos. Like the Lunatic and the severe, and the MVP and the C13. I know the dimensions are different, but they need to create new shapes. ---
**Author:** ![Adam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/adam/32/263_2.png) [@Adam](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Adam)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/14 "2009-10-24T13:07:14Z")
> [@nyjaj23](#): > > the lunatic is a smaller severe. And the mvp is a big C22 or C13. Yup. ---
**Author:** ![tyler3490](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/tyler3490/32/77_2.png) [@tyler3490](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/tyler3490)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/15 "2009-10-24T13:34:46Z")
> [@Brad](#): > > > [@tyler3490](#): > > > > it doesnt have stacks, ben said it was the first premium without them > > Did you see the picture? Completely flat hub, no way to stack (yay). yes i did before the pic was up thats what ben said ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/16 "2009-10-24T13:57:45Z")
> [@Adam](#): > > I think a few of yoyofactory’s releases are just copied ideas of previous yoyos. Like the Lunatic and the severe, and the MVP and the C13. I know the dimensions are different, but they need to create new shapes. They don’t need to make more shapes, they have a ton of shapes. They just need to calm down on making tons of yoyos with the same shape. Ben has mentioned that this is an evolution towards something better. I still think there should be a limit too it. YYF has some nice ideas, but each idea turns into 3 yoyos. Most YYF’s are built off earlier models: PGM-Counter Attack-Die Nasty Velocity-Adjust-O-Matic 401k-California-VK (I don’t get why these yoyos have different names) C22-C13-Frantic-MVP You can work out the rest. ---
**Author:** ![Samad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samad/32/19_2.png) [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/17 "2009-10-24T17:28:39Z")
> [@yoyofactoryben](#): > > Innovation is one thing, refinement is another. Both of these things must be balanced to create exceptional product. I’m not going to recount our previous product innovations but it is safe to say we have contributed more functional innovations than most of our competitors so forgive us when we take the opportunity to refine our own original design concepts. > > Our yo-yo designs follow many trends, for example the superstar was initially met with skepticism and a mediocre response in the USA while in other parts of the world it was our #1 seller, suiting the style our sponsored players were pushing the direction of yo-yo play. Ironically now these play trends have become more mainstream and we have seen above projected Superstar sales in markets with initially soft demand for them > > The best we always hope for is that our products end up in the hands of the right people for them. We know that a boring generic yo-yo would satisfy a larger number of people. But we don’t want to just satisfy people. We make enough variety of product that we can create tailored amazing product to suit a many specific styles of players. ---
**Author:** ![kevlar14](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kevlar14/32/125_2.png) [@kevlar14](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kevlar14)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/18 "2009-10-25T00:20:02Z")
> [@Samad](#): > > > [@yoyofactoryben](#): > > > > We make enough variety of product that we can create tailored amazing product to suit a many specific styles of players. La verite. Although, I think YYF could have done this in an alternative way that still has the same effect, but not with the redundancy of multiple yo-yo’s with the same concept. If instead, YYF for instead sold a Catch 13 on YoYoExpert, and had multiple choices for size, weight, etc. in addition color and bearing size, It could possibly simplify the process of creating a different yo-yo for each need. This proposal obviously has lots of flaws, for instance, complicating the manufacturing process, but it’s just a thought. ---
**Author:** ![JUMP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jump/32/274_2.png) [@JUMP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JUMP)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/19 "2009-10-25T00:31:35Z")
> [@nyjaj23](#): > > the lunatic is a smaller severe. And the mvp is a big C22 or C13. The Lunatic’s smaller than the Severe? In that case, I’m SO getting one of those, instead of the Severe or MVP. Yet to see the Tactic though… ---
**Author:** ![1337pikachu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/96bed5/32.png) [@1337pikachu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/1337pikachu)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693/20 "2009-10-25T00:49:49Z")
The one im waiting for is the 888x 😃 [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mvp-should-be-changed-to-map-most-awesome-player/7693.md?page=2)