# Mobius **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Tricks\ **Created:** [March 16, 2013, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875 "2013-03-16T04:05:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Socom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Socom](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Socom)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2013, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/1 "2013-03-16T04:05:05Z")
Catagory or part of 1a I think it should be part of 1a (I’m not sure what they mean by sub Catagory ---
**Author:** ![Jagmcool](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jagmcool/32/1203_2.png) [@Jagmcool](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jagmcool)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2013, 5:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/2 "2013-03-16T05:45:30Z")
Möbius is unofficially referred to as 6A ---
**Author:** ![Bcmaddog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bcmaddog/32/1170_2.png) [@Bcmaddog](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bcmaddog)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2013, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/3 "2013-03-16T14:15:00Z")
> [@Jagmcool](#): > > Möbius is unofficially referred to as 6A Will it happen? ---
**Author:** ![Jagmcool](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jagmcool/32/1203_2.png) [@Jagmcool](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jagmcool)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2013, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/4 "2013-03-16T15:22:26Z")
> [@Bcmaddog](#): > > > [@Jagmcool](#): > > > > Möbius is unofficially referred to as 6A > > Will it happen? Probably eventually. There just aren’t too many people who do 6A so it would be hard to make a competition of it. If it weren’t for Zammy no one would even know what it was ---
**Author:** ![augmentedloyalty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/augmentedloyalty/32/1218_2.png) [@augmentedloyalty](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/augmentedloyalty)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/5 "2013-03-16T21:44:03Z")
If 6a was big, they would made special that is string easier to open the slipknot loop. ---
**Author:** ![TheYoYoist101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theyoyoist101/32/842_2.png) [@TheYoYoist101](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheYoYoist101)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/6 "2013-03-16T21:47:51Z")
I talked to zammy about this, it’s considered a style of 1a. ---
**Author:** ![Jagmcool](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jagmcool/32/1203_2.png) [@Jagmcool](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jagmcool)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/7 "2013-03-16T23:19:40Z")
> [@M.DeV1](#): > > I talked to zammy about this, it’s considered a style of 1a. Does this mean you could go to worlds in 1A and throw möbius? ---
**Author:** ![MrYoyoThrower](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mryoyothrower/32/21004_2.png) [@MrYoyoThrower](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MrYoyoThrower)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/8 "2013-03-17T02:12:19Z")
The PNWR rules included mobius as part of 1a. ---
**Author:** ![thefluteninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19b73/32.png) [@thefluteninja](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/thefluteninja)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/9 "2013-03-17T02:38:06Z")
> [@MrYoyoThrower](#): > > The PNWR rules included mobius as part of 1a. Funny enough I was just reading through the rules and saw that and started thinking of starting to learn some tricks to add to a normal 1a freestyle. I have never seen anyone use möbius in a freestyle before. ---
**Author:** ![Socom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Socom](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Socom)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/10 "2013-03-17T04:17:11Z")
I think at worlds the crowd would go crazy if someone did möbius and Hiroyuki Suzuki might finally be taken down. But in the other hand this might cause dispute with judges and such ---
**Author:** ![MrYoyoThrower](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mryoyothrower/32/21004_2.png) [@MrYoyoThrower](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MrYoyoThrower)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/11 "2013-03-17T08:59:15Z")
Lol, he’s been “taken down” many times. I’ve always been impressed that he keeps trying. Möbius would score high for risk factor, not sure if one could get it fast enough though ---
**Author:** ![Yossarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yossarian/32/1006_2.png) [@Yossarian](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yossarian)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/12 "2013-03-17T10:45:24Z")
You can use Moebius in 1A at Worlds.  Alex Berenguel at least has done it (skip to just before 2 minutes to see it in this freestyle): [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/c/6/b/c6b94a54dfd82f3f19914e0243bb1e4e46694cd5.jpeg "Alex Berenguel 2006 1A Worlds Freestyle") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXFTdBqi7jg) ---
**Author:** ![aznnboyaZ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aznnboyaz/32/651830_2.png) [@aznnboyaZ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/aznnboyaZ)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/13 "2013-03-17T14:25:14Z")
> [@augmentedloyalty](#): > > If 6a was big, they would made special that is string easier to open the slipknot loop. Toxics are perfect. As slipknots don’t hold well Pull em to play moebius. ---
**Author:** ![TheYoYoist101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theyoyoist101/32/842_2.png) [@TheYoYoist101](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheYoYoist101)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/14 "2013-03-17T15:09:38Z")
> [@thefluteninja](#): > > > [@MrYoyoThrower](#): > > > > The PNWR rules included mobius as part of 1a. > > Funny enough I was just reading through the rules and saw that and started thinking of starting to learn some tricks to add to a normal 1a freestyle. I have never seen anyone use möbius in a freestyle before. I used möbius in my PNWR 2012 freestyle. ---
**Author:** ![thefluteninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19b73/32.png) [@thefluteninja](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/thefluteninja)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/15 "2013-03-17T19:26:33Z")
Is there a video on YouTube? I want to see it:P ---
**Author:** ![\_Z1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/_z1/32/230318_2.png) [@\_Z1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/_Z1)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/16 "2013-03-19T04:38:37Z")
> [@Socom](#): > > Catagory or part of 1a I think it should be part of 1a (I’m not sure what they mean by sub Catagory Subcategory means that while the style has its own essence to be a style, it is officially classified as a part of the 1A Category. Other yoyo styles have been within 1A such as Dualstring. or with 5A there is Double Dice. These are styles that have their own separate tricks and unique qualities, but not enough to be classified as its own category. There is a difference between what a “Category” is versus what a “Style” is. Moebius was at one time referred as 6A a long time ago between 2001-2004 or 5. Due to the the expanding of other styles. Unfortunately Moebius started to die due to waning interest/difficulty with current yoyos. Remember, people were playing with responsive stickers, small bearings and tiny gaps. Moebius can use ANY string as it is a preference for people. I’ve suggested to use thin 100% poly string. My signature ZYPE string by Toxic is designed for Moebius and 1A in mind. Between 2000 to 2004/5 ish there was no 100% poly, thus only to use 50/50 which hurts the fingers when trying to open the slipknot. Tricks within the style are scored/clicked the same way as 1A. Thus if you do any “flytrap” type tricks or no-handed type tricks and land them cleanly, unfortunately it does not count as “risk” and will be scored like a regular suicide. Therefore the clicks are the same. The style is hard to control, and unfortunately cannot be done at high speeds compared to 1A, therefore why people do not do it a lot in contests if ever. Freestyles: [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/2/1/a/21a94bd78b0692ea8e40557436b57c1bdf33679b.jpeg "Madfest Zammy 1a 6th place") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL3-Biqdm1o) [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/c/8/3c8391386d0dd119868d703711fa01586cb26366.jpeg "Midwest Regionals 1a finals 2009 Zammy") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jQ3ktCzKaI) Zammy from 2009. I suck at freestyles, but it was fun. Your welcome. Laterdays. ~Z ---
**Author:** ![bjoerge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@bjoerge](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bjoerge)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius/50875/17 "2013-03-19T16:48:48Z")
> [@Jagmcool](#): > > > [@Bcmaddog](#): > > > > > [@Jagmcool](#): > > > > > > Möbius is unofficially referred to as 6A > > > > Will it happen? > > Probably eventually. There just aren’t too many people who do 6A so it would be hard to make a competition of it. If it weren’t for Zammy no one would even know what it was I just came up with a trick some years ago. Now i know it is möbius because of zammy. I really like it, but can’t find tutorials i like:/