# Mobius 5A? **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Tricks\ **Created:** [November 7, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992 "2013-11-07T15:21:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TyBigonet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/50afbb/32.png) [@TyBigonet](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TyBigonet)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/1 "2013-11-07T15:21:54Z")
Hey all! Just wondering if anyone does mobius counter weight 🙂 Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![NathanC](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nathanc/32/891_2.png) [@NathanC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NathanC)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/2 "2013-11-07T16:01:22Z")
How would that work? ---
**Author:** ![TyBigonet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/50afbb/32.png) [@TyBigonet](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TyBigonet)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/3 "2013-11-07T17:53:06Z")
Undoing the slip knot in the counter weight and doing tricks on it 🙂 > [@NathanC](#): > > How would that work? ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/4 "2013-11-07T18:05:27Z")
There is a style I think called FlyTraps which is what you’re after, where you’re doing mostly releases of the slipknot, but you’re not using a CW. Taking the CW off the slipknot would be a bit tricky while in play. Putting it back would be even trickier. ---
**Author:** ![TyBigonet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/50afbb/32.png) [@TyBigonet](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TyBigonet)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/5 "2013-11-07T18:32:37Z")
Putting it back would just be a matter of pulling on the CW to the end of the string. Undoing it I could see being hard, but maybe you could learn to do it with one hand. I’m wondering if we have different ways of mounting our counterweights. I know I use this method: [YoYoExpert.com - Counter-Weight - Add](http://yoyoexpert.com/learn/303-counter-weight-add-counter-weight.html) ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/6 "2013-11-07T19:21:17Z")
If you are going to mount and unmount your counterweight by completely removing the yoyo from the string while in play, more power to you. Once you remove the counterweight, you’re no longer 5A. Also, depending on the counterweight and the hole and the string thickness and how you tie the knot(I tie a figure8, it tends to be a touch larger), alternate methods may not be possible. Imagine if you were using a Takeshi dice with the bead? ---
**Author:** ![TyBigonet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/50afbb/32.png) [@TyBigonet](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TyBigonet)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/7 "2013-11-07T19:44:03Z")
We definitely mount our CWs differently, watch the video. ---
**Author:** ![Jake\_Elliott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/49beb7/32.png) [@Jake\_Elliott](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jake_Elliott)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/8 "2013-11-07T20:27:41Z")
It’s called astrobius (combination of astro and moebius). It’s tough, and very few people have tried experimenting with it. Give it a try. ---
**Author:** ![TyBigonet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/50afbb/32.png) [@TyBigonet](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TyBigonet)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/9 "2013-11-07T22:28:09Z")
No results when I searched it on youtube, are there any videos? ---
**Author:** ![Jake\_Elliott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/49beb7/32.png) [@Jake\_Elliott](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jake_Elliott)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/10 "2013-11-08T00:54:21Z")
Not to my knowledge. I think Steve Brown had one astrobius trick video, but I can’t find it. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/11 "2013-11-08T01:20:26Z")
> [@TyBigonet](#): > > We definitely mount our CWs differently, watch the video. I did. That’s how I mount my CW’s, by running the string completely through it like in the video that I watched over 2 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Yoyo\_Kangaroo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e95f7d/32.png) [@Yoyo\_Kangaroo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yoyo_Kangaroo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/12 "2013-11-08T01:39:08Z")
Some pretty good information here. [theyo.com/yoyo/yoyo-trick-help/68082-official-moebius-101-comprehensive-guide-breakdown-tutorials.html](http://theyo.com/yoyo/yoyo-trick-help/68082-official-moebius-101-comprehensive-guide-breakdown-tutorials.html) ---
**Author:** ![Yonut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yonut](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yonut)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/13 "2013-11-08T04:30:13Z")
> [@Studio42](#): > > There is a style I think called FlyTraps which is what you’re after, where you’re doing mostly releases of the slipknot, but you’re not using a CW. > > Taking the CW off the slipknot would be a bit tricky while in play. Putting it back would be even trickier. This is your best bet, but doing anything fancy is HARD. I remember seeing a video of Zammy that featured full, no hands releases. Otherwise, the CW combined with an open slipknot would kind of cancel each other out, as their styles are similar, but different enough that they contradict one another. ---
**Author:** ![J\_Singh\_2K](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/j_singh_2k/32/1250_2.png) [@J\_Singh\_2K](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/J_Singh_2K)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 4:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/14 "2013-11-08T04:31:02Z")
I believe it is called Astrobius. ---
**Author:** ![MYNAMEISZen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@MYNAMEISZen](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MYNAMEISZen)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 5:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/15 "2013-11-08T05:15:29Z")
I tried this a while ago
 Not a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![\_Z1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/_z1/32/230318_2.png) [@\_Z1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/_Z1)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/16 "2013-11-15T00:10:03Z")
> [@TyBigonet](#): > > Hey all! Just wondering if anyone does mobius counter weight 🙂 > > Thanks! Zammy does. Pretty fun stuff and yet incredibly difficult. Even more difficult compared to regular Moebius. > [@NathanC](#): > > How would that work? Set up string/counterweight for 5a. Put string through the loop to create a slipknot over the CW. The CWwill now be IN the slipknot. Put two fingers inside the loop while also holding the CW similar to 5a. > [@TyBigonet](#): > > No results when I searched it on youtube, are there any videos? [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/7/3/37321c529423537789f8a555df4d70ff62bfa080.jpeg "Shut Up And Show Fate Who You Are") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SwHEaMfdlc) Don’t be scared of the heavy makeup, I was a heavy goth in the past. This has been the only Astrobius video I have ever done and more than likely will be. > [@Yonut](#): > > This is your best bet, but doing anything fancy is HARD.  I remember seeing a video of Zammy that featured full, no hands releases. > > Otherwise, the CW combined with an open slipknot would kind of cancel each other out, as their styles are similar, but different enough that they contradict one another. Yup, the No-hands video featured almost every single “no-handed” trick that I know. Good stuff. Also, you are very correct in your statement. They do cancel eachother out and thus trying to do new material for the style is quite a task to do. From what I understand, Astrobius, similar to playing Double Dice, Allows slack to be moved easier due to the use of the counterweight. So tricks that are difficult to move the string will be easier to do. Thats what I’ve learned out of it. Due to this post I have been playing a bit of Astrobius, maybe I will make something of it. ~Z ---
**Author:** ![Yoyo\_Kangaroo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e95f7d/32.png) [@Yoyo\_Kangaroo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yoyo_Kangaroo)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2013, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/mobius-5a/60992/17 "2013-11-15T02:12:26Z")
Double Dice Möbius. 😃