# Markmont Classic or Grail
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672
**Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation
**Created:** [December 26, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672 "2018-12-26T22:15:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@dely11](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dely11)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/1 "2018-12-26T22:15:19Z")
I want an organic and I want floaty. Do I want the Markmont or a Grail?
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### Author:  [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/2 "2018-12-26T22:16:43Z")
Buy a DocPop Icarus. Trust me.
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### Author:  [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/3 "2018-12-26T22:18:15Z")
I vote all three. MMC, Grail, AND Icarus. Just get them all lol
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### Author:  [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/4 "2018-12-26T22:34:46Z")
Which ever one you can get.
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### Author:  [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/5 "2018-12-26T22:38:33Z")
Haven’t tried the Icarus, but I like the MMC over Grail, and you can buy it right now. Grail might be more floaty though?
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### Author:  [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/6 "2018-12-26T22:43:38Z")
Not sure, I think them a-rt boys can make any yoyo look “floaty”. I’ve never played one, so I can’t actually say
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### Author:  [@Drakkar](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Drakkar)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/7 "2018-12-26T22:49:51Z")
> [@anon5341354](#):
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> Buy a DocPop Icarus. Trust me.
Why did I have to see this? I didn’t even know that existed. Now I want one of those too.
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### Author:  [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/8 "2018-12-26T22:49:52Z")
I had mine so briefly, I can’t really remember. I do remember thinking it reminded me of the MMC, but thinking I liked the MMC better.
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### Author:  [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/9 "2018-12-26T23:10:42Z")
Grail is way more floaty than the MC. However, while I haven’t played it, I’ve heard the Icarus is supposed to be a mashup of the Grail and MC.
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### Author:  [@Sinister\_Yoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sinister_Yoyos)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/10 "2018-12-26T23:11:07Z")
I prefer the Grail over the MMC, that being said, I think both are essential and any connoisseur of fine organic yoyos would be wise to track down both. I’d say the MMC is slightly more stable than the Grail. It’s also easier to get. I prefer the Grail over the MMC but you really can’t go wrong with either.
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### Author:  [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/11 "2018-12-26T23:18:57Z")
I like the Quail more than either the Grail or the MMC, but it might not appeal as broadly as the the other 2.
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### Author:  [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/12 "2018-12-26T23:20:15Z")
Another unique yoyo I’d like to get my hands on
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### Author:  [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/13 "2018-12-26T23:21:37Z")
Lol, I’m realizing how just how hard it is to get a definitive answer to these kinds of questions!
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### Author:  [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/15 "2018-12-26T23:23:45Z")
Sounds like Grail is the way to go for you, if you can get one!
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### Author:  [@dely11](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dely11)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/16 "2018-12-26T23:23:56Z")
I figured it would be but I was hoping one would be much more floaty.
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### Author:  [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/17 "2018-12-26T23:28:15Z")
Where is the Icarus made?
Grail and MMC are machined by the awesome One Drop, right here in the USA!
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### Author:  [@Sinister\_Yoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sinister_Yoyos)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2018, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/18 "2018-12-26T23:33:45Z")
You might also like the Yoyo Workshop Halyard 2.0. It’s both organic and floaty.
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### Author:  [@Nocompromise](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nocompromise)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2018, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/19 "2018-12-27T00:43:23Z")
Grail if you want light, floaty, sensitive, not overly stable.
MMC if you want a blend of solid and floaty, changeable side effects (make a huge difference), stable for an organic.
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### Author:  [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/20 "2018-12-27T02:18:32Z")
> [@Myk\_Myk](#):
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> Where is the Icarus made?
In a yoyo manufacturing facility 😁
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### Author:  [@Theolodger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Theolodger)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2018, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/markmont-classic-or-grail/296672/21 "2018-12-27T02:59:31Z")
Did you seriously have to!
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