# Making Counterweights **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [February 10, 2014, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690 "2014-02-10T02:27:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dragonegs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc348/32.png) [@Dragonegs](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Dragonegs)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/1 "2014-02-10T02:27:21Z")
So I’m in middle school and 5a is just okay for me but I’m just curious if it is okay for me to make more counterweights. (Like 50) I plan to sell them later on the BST but could Duncan sue me? ---
**Author:** ![PerspectiveDesigns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/perspectivedesigns/32/1288_2.png) [@PerspectiveDesigns](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/PerspectiveDesigns)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/2 "2014-02-10T02:32:11Z")
I really don’t know if you could do that or not. Duncan might be mad. But if you call them something else (which would be a bit dishonest) you might be fine. ---
**Author:** ![Jake\_Elliott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/49beb7/32.png) [@Jake\_Elliott](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jake_Elliott)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/3 "2014-02-10T02:34:55Z")
Even if you’re making a smaller run, Duncan won’t let you sell them. Duncan is fine with you making counterweights for personal use, but not selling them. ---
**Author:** ![Bcmaddog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bcmaddog/32/1170_2.png) [@Bcmaddog](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bcmaddog)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/4 "2014-02-10T02:56:14Z")
> [@Jake Elliott](#): > > Even if you’re making a smaller run, Duncan won’t let you sell them. Duncan is fine with you making counterweights for personal use, but not selling them. I got my stuff deleted when I sold a few. Thats when the Admins decided to ban it from the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Dragonegs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc348/32.png) [@Dragonegs](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Dragonegs)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/5 "2014-02-10T03:00:38Z")
Dead end I suppose… ---
**Author:** ![xiaoxiao](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/85e7bf/32.png) [@xiaoxiao](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/xiaoxiao)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/6 "2014-02-10T03:01:12Z")
What are you making? Waspnests? ---
**Author:** ![Dragonegs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc348/32.png) [@Dragonegs](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Dragonegs)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 3:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/7 "2014-02-10T03:02:39Z")
Acrylic Pressured Counterweights. I will post a pic asap… Still can’t sell them though ☹ ---
**Author:** ![LEDGERYOYO](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ledgeryoyo/32/1262_2.png) [@LEDGERYOYO](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LEDGERYOYO)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/8 "2014-02-10T03:05:42Z")
Unfortunately, the US patent duncan owns on a small object with a hole in it is holding back 5A, since other brands can’t promote it unless they want to pay boo-koo bucks (YoYoJam’s Takeshi Die is $5). 2020 seems pretty far away, too. ---
**Author:** ![xiaoxiao](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/85e7bf/32.png) [@xiaoxiao](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/xiaoxiao)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/9 "2014-02-10T03:07:47Z")
It’s really annoying. Yoyfactory even has to cut out their 5a stuff in their vids. -.- Takeshi Matsuura is WORLD CHAMPION IN 5A, yet Yoyojam barely got to sell counterweights. Ughhhh I guess they think they have _some_ power over yoyoing now… ---
**Author:** ![yoyospirit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyospirit/32/219875_2.png) [@yoyospirit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyospirit)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 4:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/10 "2014-02-10T04:10:31Z")
Pull a Yoyofactory and call them Spin-Top Buttons. Or do something like make them and don’t drill a hole through them, instead, say something like, these are very cool whatevers, and if you want, I can drill a hole through it for your keychain or something lol Where there’s a will, there’s a way around any contract :wink: ---
**Author:** ![crococorey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/crococorey/32/1380_2.png) [@crococorey](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/crococorey)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/11 "2014-02-10T04:12:08Z")
Call them weights that counter. ---
**Author:** ![yuki\_onitsura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yuki_onitsura/32/1162_2.png) [@yuki\_onitsura](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yuki_onitsura)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 4:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/12 "2014-02-10T04:48:35Z")
I’m liking yoyospirit’s idea. I’d love a counterweight sized keyring :wink: Yuki ---
**Author:** ![Dragonegs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc348/32.png) [@Dragonegs](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Dragonegs)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/13 "2014-02-10T21:18:06Z")
That is like what I have! ---
**Author:** ![unklesteve](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/unklesteve/32/106934_2.png) [@unklesteve](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/unklesteve)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/14 "2014-02-10T21:23:33Z")
Nope. Can’t sell them, no matter what you call them. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Yoyo\_Kangaroo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e95f7d/32.png) [@Yoyo\_Kangaroo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yoyo_Kangaroo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/15 "2014-02-10T22:24:22Z")
Here’s the patent: > **[Items for sale by snoreboy | eBay](https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=snoreboy)** > > Shop eBay for great deals from snoreboy! The very general wording seems to make it very inclusive. You could sell them as other things, but the moment you people start using them as counterweights on anything but a 4A yoyo you could be sued. ---
**Author:** ![yoyospirit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyospirit/32/219875_2.png) [@yoyospirit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyospirit)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/16 "2014-02-11T00:36:41Z")
You could ‘give’ them away and take donations :wink: ---
**Author:** ![unklesteve](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/unklesteve/32/106934_2.png) [@unklesteve](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/unklesteve)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/17 "2014-02-11T02:13:42Z")
> [@yoyospirit](#): > > You could ‘give’ them away and take donations :wink: No you can’t. Seriously, all of you people who don’t understand patent law should probably stop giving legal advice to people who are looking for a way to get around my patent. For a number of reasons: 1. You’re wrong. 2. I’m RIGHT HERE. I see all of this stuff. 3. So do people from Duncan. So let’s start a new habit, shall we? When someone new pops up, as they inevitably will every few months, and says “I have an idea to make some counterweight, would you guys buy them?” how about we all just agree to say “Actually, you can’t sell counterweights unless you license the patent from Duncan. But you can make them for your own personal use. Post pictures, we’d all like to see them when you’re done.” Yeah? Let’s just do that. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![StringSamurai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stringsamurai/32/1463_2.png) [@StringSamurai](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/StringSamurai)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/18 "2014-02-11T02:50:56Z")
> [@Steve Brown](#): > > 1. You’re wrong. > 2. I’m RIGHT HERE. I see all of this stuff. > 2. So do people from Duncan. I can’t stop laughing at this…well played good sir. _doffing my hat_ ---
**Author:** ![EvanW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/evanw/32/564_2.png) [@EvanW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EvanW)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 2:54am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/19 "2014-02-11T02:54:06Z")
> [@Steve Brown](#): > > No you can’t. > > Seriously, all of you people who don’t understand patent law should probably stop giving legal advice to people who are looking for a way to get around my patent. For a number of reasons: > > 1. You’re wrong. > 2. I’m RIGHT HERE. I see all of this stuff. > 3. So do people from Duncan. > > So let’s start a new habit, shall we? When someone new pops up, as they inevitably will every few months, and says “I have an idea to make some counterweight, would you guys buy them?” how about we all just agree to say “Actually, you can’t sell counterweights unless you license the patent from Duncan. But you can make them for your own personal use. Post pictures, we’d all like to see them when you’re done.” > > Yeah? Let’s just do that. 😛 Regarding the patent, I have a question. Does the patent cover sales, say, between buddies or something? Like, if a buddy of mine made a CW and I gave him 5 bucks for it, would that be illegal practice? ---
**Author:** ![yoyospirit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyospirit/32/219875_2.png) [@yoyospirit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyospirit)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 3:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/20 "2014-02-11T03:11:50Z")
> [@Steve Brown](#): > > No you can’t. > > Seriously, all of you people who don’t understand patent law should probably stop giving legal advice to people who are looking for a way to get around my patent. For a number of reasons: > > 1. You’re wrong. > 2. I’m RIGHT HERE. I see all of this stuff. > 3. So do people from Duncan. > > So let’s start a new habit, shall we? When someone new pops up, as they inevitably will every few months, and says “I have an idea to make some counterweight, would you guys buy them?” how about we all just agree to say “Actually, you can’t sell counterweights unless you license the patent from Duncan. But you can make them for your own personal use. Post pictures, we’d all like to see them when you’re done.” > > Yeah? Let’s just do that. 😛 Soooo…how about as good luck charms :wink: [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690.md?page=2)