# Magic Yoyo N12 or Stackless YYF Grind Machine or YYF Velocity ?
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/magic-yoyo-n12-or-stackless-yyf-grind-machine-or-yyf-velocity/51913
**Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation
**Created:** [April 7, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/magic-yoyo-n12-or-stackless-yyf-grind-machine-or-yyf-velocity/51913 "2013-04-07T04:14:47Z")
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### Author:  [@flightanimator](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/flightanimator)
#### Post date: [April 7, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/magic-yoyo-n12-or-stackless-yyf-grind-machine-or-yyf-velocity/51913/1 "2013-04-07T04:14:47Z")
Hi guys. Im new to the forum. My question is should I rather get the Magic Yoyo N12 Shark Honor or the Stackless YYF Grind Machine or the New YYF Velocity ? I really want of these. Which one should I get and why ?
Thanks.
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### Author:  [@augmentedloyalty](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/augmentedloyalty)
#### Post date: [April 7, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/magic-yoyo-n12-or-stackless-yyf-grind-machine-or-yyf-velocity/51913/2 "2013-04-07T04:17:51Z")
Magic n12 since it low walled, it metal, and it has a more modern shape
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### Author:  [@LeftyLink](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LeftyLink)
#### Post date: [April 7, 2013, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/magic-yoyo-n12-or-stackless-yyf-grind-machine-or-yyf-velocity/51913/3 "2013-04-07T04:18:47Z")
> [@flightanimator](#):
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> Hi guys. Im new to the forum. My question is should I rather get the Magic Yoyo N12 Shark Honor or the Stackless YYF Grind Machine ? I really want to get one or the other. Which one should I get and why ?
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> Links :
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> Magic Yoyo N12 Shark Honor :
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> [http://www.amazon.com/Vktech-Magic-Yo-yo-String-Aluminum/dp/B00C1904KO/ref=sr\_1\_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1365308040&sr=8-2&keywords=magic+yoyo+n12](http://www.amazon.com/Vktech-Magic-Yo-yo-String-Aluminum/dp/B00C1904KO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1365308040&sr=8-2&keywords=magic+yoyo+n12)
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> Stackless YYF Grind Machine :
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> [http://www.ebay.com/itm/YoYoFactory-Grind-Machine-Stackless-Yo-Yo-Red-White-FREE-STRINGS-/310382017875?pt=Classic\_Toys\_US&hash=item484435bd53](http://www.ebay.com/itm/YoYoFactory-Grind-Machine-Stackless-Yo-Yo-Red-White-FREE-STRINGS-/310382017875?pt=Classic_Toys_US&hash=item484435bd53)
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> Thanks.
Yeah…links to other stores aren’t exactly allowed on here, but anyway, the stack less grind machine isn’t that good
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### Author:  [@flightanimator](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/flightanimator)
#### Post date: [April 7, 2013, 4:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/magic-yoyo-n12-or-stackless-yyf-grind-machine-or-yyf-velocity/51913/4 "2013-04-07T04:23:21Z")
Sorry lol im new. Didnt know we couldnt post links. Wont happen again. Anyway so you guys think I should go with the Magic N12 ? Im kind of hesitant since Magic is really a " large " brand. Im not sure If I can trust them or not like YoYoFactory which is a large brand.
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### Author:  [@TheYoYoist101](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheYoYoist101)
#### Post date: [April 7, 2013, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/magic-yoyo-n12-or-stackless-yyf-grind-machine-or-yyf-velocity/51913/5 "2013-04-07T04:25:27Z")
> [@flightanimator](#):
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> Sorry lol im new. Didnt know we couldnt post links. Wont happen again. Anyway so you guys think I should go with the Magic N12 ? Im kind of hesitant since Magic is really a " large " brand. Im not sure If I can trust them or not like YoYoFactory which is a large brand.
I’ve tried the Magic N12 and it was amazing! Trust me you won’t be disappointed.
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### Author:  [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)
#### Post date: [April 7, 2013, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/magic-yoyo-n12-or-stackless-yyf-grind-machine-or-yyf-velocity/51913/6 "2013-04-07T04:28:41Z")
The stackless Grind Machine is one of the least favourite throws I’ve ever tried. I gave mine away after using it maybe twice. The N12 is reputed to be one of their best models, and although I’ve never tried that one, I’ve tried a T5 and loved it. If the N12 is better than the T5 (as people claim), I can’t see how the two would even be comparable. The N12 should blow it out of the water and into… er… another solar system… or something.
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### Author:  [@flightanimator](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/flightanimator)
#### Post date: [April 7, 2013, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/magic-yoyo-n12-or-stackless-yyf-grind-machine-or-yyf-velocity/51913/7 "2013-04-07T04:32:53Z")
Awesome then guys. I think its settled. Magic N12 for me 🙂 You guys have been really helpful today. But what do you guys think of the New YYF Velocity ? I was also kind of thinking about that. YYF Velocity or Magic N12 ?
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### Author:  [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)
#### Post date: [April 7, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/magic-yoyo-n12-or-stackless-yyf-grind-machine-or-yyf-velocity/51913/8 "2013-04-07T04:36:26Z")
> [@flightanimator](#):
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> Awesome then guys. I think its settled. Magic N12 for me 🙂 You guys have been really helpful today. But what do you guys think of the New YYF Velocity ? I was also kind of thinking about that. YYF Velocity or Magic N12 ?
Welll… performance, materials, and almost everything… the N12 still probably wins.
But I have a soft spot for the New Velocity. It’s not going to perform on par with the N12 (not even close) but it’s a very cool little throw. It was my first unresponsive-capable yoyo. It’s just really fun. But I’d have to admit that the N12 will still outclass it.
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### Author:  [@TheYoYoist101](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheYoYoist101)
#### Post date: [April 7, 2013, 4:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/magic-yoyo-n12-or-stackless-yyf-grind-machine-or-yyf-velocity/51913/9 "2013-04-07T04:37:19Z")
> [@flightanimator](#):
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> Awesome then guys. I think its settled. Magic N12 for me 🙂 You guys have been really helpful today. But what do you guys think of the New YYF Velocity ? I was also kind of thinking about that. YYF Velocity or Magic N12 ?
Although the new velocity is a good yoyo I still find the N12 to be soooo much better. I mostly keep my Velocity on responsive in case I feel the need for some good old fashion yoyoing.
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### Author:  [@flightanimator](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/flightanimator)
#### Post date: [April 7, 2013, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/magic-yoyo-n12-or-stackless-yyf-grind-machine-or-yyf-velocity/51913/10 "2013-04-07T04:38:07Z")
Awesome. Looks like its the N12 For me now 🙂 Thanks for the help Greg ! I gave you a thank you and everyone else that helped me. Its my first day ( more like first 30 minutes ) on this forum and I already feel welcomed 🙂 Thanks a bunch !