# Made in USA **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [September 3, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774 "2023-09-03T13:43:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Nova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nova/32/172750_2.png) [@Nova](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nova)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/121 "2023-09-08T16:00:28Z")
Why are we using tight bearing seats as a strawman argument about the influence of a country of origin on the quality of a yoyo? There’s mountains of evidence that manufacturers like FPM and Topyo don’t rely on tight bearing seats to produce high quality yoyos, but at that point we’re no longer comparing China to USA–We’re pitting One Drop against every other company out there. The takeaway that I’m gathering is that USA made yoyos are such poor quality that the only shop worth acknowledging is One Drop because they’re the exception to that rule. With One Drop being the sole support of the argument in favor of USA-made yoyos, the discussion quickly starts to focus on One Drop’s strengths and weaknesses. The only strength people seem to be able to find is their loose bearing seats which is based on the argument of having more precsie machining which seems to be weak evidence at best. When we look at other evidence like production costs, quality of competitors’ products, ability to produce complex designs, and market availability, there doesn’t seem to be much evidence in support of One Drop, let alone any other USA manufacturer. Can anyone correct me on this? ---
**Author:** ![abellia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/abellia/32/627459_2.png) [@abellia](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/abellia)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/122 "2023-09-08T16:20:38Z")
I think YYFr b grades have better QC than One Drop. That said, the last run of yyfr b grades was all koi, vulture, and dove, so…kind of a tradeoff. ---
**Author:** ![Marioyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/marioyo/32/303068_2.png) [@Marioyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Marioyo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/123 "2023-09-08T16:47:34Z")
I have bought a single YYF yoyo, a Dove, and it vibed like hell and the nut capture system fell out. Ironic. But we’re memeing, right? This discussion should be more than flexing bearing seats, but still funny. ---
**Author:** ![bheinz63](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bheinz63/32/137310_2.png) [@bheinz63](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bheinz63)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/124 "2023-09-08T17:12:04Z")
I would guess that the problem with US yoyo manufacturing isn’t that its bad, its that its nonexistant outside very few shops. Costs are higher in general here, so things like rent, materials, wages, electricity to run the machines, etc all make it incredibly difficult for machine shops to compete with the quality and cost coming from China. ---
**Author:** ![bheinz63](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bheinz63/32/137310_2.png) [@bheinz63](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bheinz63)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/125 "2023-09-08T17:14:13Z")
I havent seen those comments, but that is where the market is right now. It is a bummer they dont make yoyos like that and its part of the frustration that I see expressed, especially here on the forums. ---
**Author:** ![fradiger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fradiger/32/66850_2.png) [@fradiger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fradiger)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/126 "2023-09-08T17:33:03Z")
this is like flat out slander and i wont stand for it, as someone who used to watch paul dang on the shop cam test and package yoyos for 8 hours a day OD might not make the yoyos you love, but all of their yoyos are made _with_ love, you can see that clearly by the amount of pride the OD folks have over their stuff. They wouldn’t come here and debate otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/127 "2023-09-08T17:33:17Z")
We do make them like that. What claim is silly? ---
**Author:** ![ExYoyoAddict](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exyoyoaddict/32/145064_2.png) [@ExYoyoAddict](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ExYoyoAddict)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/128 "2023-09-08T17:40:11Z")
What One Drop yoyos are wide and rim weighted? I know there are a few that are more narrow and have rim weight. Modern yoyos keep getting wider with stuff like the Spotlight, IQ etc. ---
**Author:** ![chaosgow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chaosgow/32/61394_2.png) [@chaosgow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/chaosgow)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/129 "2023-09-08T17:50:22Z")
You don’t make wide rim weighted yoyos lmao ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/130 "2023-09-08T17:55:01Z")
Of course we do. Format C, Valor, VTWO, Virtusos, and others. ---
**Author:** ![fradiger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fradiger/32/66850_2.png) [@fradiger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fradiger)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/131 "2023-09-08T17:55:36Z")
Hate to be that guy but none of those are wide by modern standards. ---
**Author:** ![ExYoyoAddict](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exyoyoaddict/32/145064_2.png) [@ExYoyoAddict](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ExYoyoAddict)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/132 "2023-09-08T17:57:09Z")
43mm is narrow. It isn’t slimline level but you will pretty much never see a full size performance 1a focused yoyo go below 42-43mm now. ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/133 "2023-09-08T17:57:30Z")
That’s an opinion. It’s subjective. ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/134 "2023-09-08T17:58:18Z")
Width in a vacuum doesn’t tell you much. Width to diameter ratio is more accurate. ---
**Author:** ![mable](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mable/32/194074_2.png) [@mable](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mable)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/135 "2023-09-08T18:00:42Z")
43mm is actively considered narrow by current standards of what people are competing with. Preferred width is subjective, but calling those four yoyos wide feels kind of out of touch with what most serious 1A players are using now. ---
**Author:** ![chaosgow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chaosgow/32/61394_2.png) [@chaosgow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/chaosgow)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/136 "2023-09-08T18:01:38Z")
I’m not even debating your quality. ODs are made well. That list doesn’t contain any wide yoyos though lol. You’ve made a wide yoyo, the 1to1, but it wasn’t rim weighted. The weight is set back into the profile, which makes it less effective. Your claim is that players are trending towards wider yoyos with rim weight. You don’t make those yoyos. 45mm isn’t wide, it’s average. It might have been wide 10 years ago, but you were talking about current trends and you’re mixing timelines. It’s not 2013 anymore grandad, it’s 2023. ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/137 "2023-09-08T18:03:50Z")
Your opinion on what makes a yoyo wide is subjective. I said “axial rim weight” and I didn’t say “therefore we don’t make them”. You’re misquoting me. ---
**Author:** ![fradiger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fradiger/32/66850_2.png) [@fradiger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fradiger)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/138 "2023-09-08T18:05:44Z")
me when onedrop releases a \>45.29\* mm rimweighted yoyo ![ezgif-4-2d14bcbe60](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/e/4/ee45631c86ec42b58403ed3d5ea6b858bcec2b5b.gif) ---
**Author:** ![MarkD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/markd/32/40845_2.png) [@MarkD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarkD)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/139 "2023-09-08T18:06:09Z")
You should track down a Virtuoso. It’s very good. It’s different from a lot of their more “one-drop-ey” yoyos but still is unmistakably one-drop. ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/140 "2023-09-08T18:07:32Z")
It is somewhat subjective but at the end of the day, you could be making 35mm wide yoyos and say you’re making wide yoyos, but how many people are really going to agree with that. If you look at the landscape of the current market, the average width of full sized, rim weighted yoyos is 45mm, with rarely any at or under 43mm. This is not subjective. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774.md?page=8)