# Made in USA **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [September 3, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774 "2023-09-03T13:43:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![mrJames](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mrjames/32/236865_2.png) [@mrJames](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrJames)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/242 "2023-09-08T22:22:54Z")
Not to get back on topic or anything, but… > [@Yo-yo\_Power](#): > > Would any of you pay the extra cost to buy a made in USA yoyo or accessories? If the design translated into a play style that I prefer, and the yoyo or accessory was of a level of quality that warranted said extra cost, then yes, I would gladly pay more. If, however, the extra cost just gets me a sticker that says, “MADE IN AMERICA,” affixed to a clunker that sits in a case 'cuz I hate to use it, then no. ---
**Author:** ![chaosgow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chaosgow/32/61394_2.png) [@chaosgow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/chaosgow)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/243 "2023-09-08T22:25:43Z")
I think @da5id explaination of wide fits when you consider he was talking about the affect axial rim weight has on how smooth a yoyo is. It’s still really silly to not say that bit though lol ---
**Author:** ![MaximShoots](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/maximshoots/32/171131_2.png) [@MaximShoots](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MaximShoots)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/244 "2023-09-08T22:26:25Z")
@chaosgow Hi boss man 🤗 ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/245 "2023-09-08T22:26:52Z")
Yes you are right to a degree, but everyone would consider the 100mm x 60mm to be a narrow yoyo. At least by my 16 years of doing of this experience, that has been the view. Of course you’re right that if the number is bigger it’s wider. ---
**Author:** ![chaosgow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chaosgow/32/61394_2.png) [@chaosgow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/chaosgow)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/246 "2023-09-08T22:26:56Z")
Hi fren ---
**Author:** ![yoyospirit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyospirit/32/219875_2.png) [@yoyospirit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyospirit)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/247 "2023-09-08T22:27:23Z")
Fair enough there. Overly tight bearing seats where your hands are red after pulling off the bearing with a tool suck. ---
**Author:** ![mrJames](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mrjames/32/236865_2.png) [@mrJames](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrJames)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/248 "2023-09-08T22:28:00Z")
> [@IoSonoFormaggio](#): > > wider Exactly: wideER. The original point was not “you don’t make yoyos wider than n,” it was “you don’t make wide yoyos.” Define wide with no other information given. 60mm is not wide if it’s referencing the width of my monitor. ---
**Author:** ![chaosgow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chaosgow/32/61394_2.png) [@chaosgow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/chaosgow)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/249 "2023-09-08T22:29:48Z")
The wide thing was something David brought up anyway. He was saying players are trending to wider, higher performance yoyos and that OD doesn’t make them because his dr friend said it’s going to be harder. ---
**Author:** ![mrJames](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mrjames/32/236865_2.png) [@mrJames](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrJames)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/250 "2023-09-08T22:29:51Z")
> [@da5id](#): > > At least by my 16 years of doing of this experience… Mic drop moment. ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/251 "2023-09-08T22:30:13Z")
I 100% didn’t say this. Please stop misquoting me. ---
**Author:** ![abellia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/abellia/32/627459_2.png) [@abellia](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/abellia)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/252 "2023-09-08T22:30:22Z")
WIDE IS WIDE ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/d/9/ad9c08a4a68759271fd0a37afa651fd01bb99ad1.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![mrJames](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mrjames/32/236865_2.png) [@mrJames](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrJames)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/253 "2023-09-08T22:34:37Z")
Yeah, that’s mad annoying. How about the ones where you’re cranking back and forth for what seems like an eternity and it finally grinds off with that scrrrrrrreewwwwnnnch sound that feels like melted ice cream. 😭 _“Man, I hope I didn’t just break my Koi!”_ ---
**Author:** ![mrJames](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mrjames/32/236865_2.png) [@mrJames](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrJames)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/254 "2023-09-08T22:38:38Z")
Can you cite the post where he says this? I was referring to where you said this: > [@chaosgow](#): > > You don’t make wide rim weighted yoyos lmao ---
**Author:** ![abellia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/abellia/32/627459_2.png) [@abellia](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/abellia)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/255 "2023-09-08T22:43:03Z")
> [@Made in USA](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/100): > > That’s a good observation. There are a number of factors that play into smoothness. First thing, is it’s impossible to make them perfect so there is always some amount of error. The design of the yoyo makes a big difference. We think of it as each model can tolerate a certain amount of error. What the means is that each model is easier or harder to make smooth. As it turns out with physics, very generally speaking, the kind of designs people want are the same kind that don’t tolerate error ve… “the kinds of designs people want are the same kind that don’t tolerate error very well” “things like being wide and having lots of axial rim weight” “We have our Physics Doctor friend, Dirty Birdy who has done a lot of work in this area so he can do analysis of our CAD before we cut metal and let us know how tolerant of error it is” ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/256 "2023-09-08T22:45:53Z")
Exactly, I didn’t say “so therefore we don’t make those kind of yoyos”. I’m saying we use math to understand what we’re getting into and help improve production if possible. We don’t use this to avoid doing certain kinds of yoyos. We are the ones who actually tackle the difficult task of hitting .0002". The others are willing to accept having a stuck bearing a certain percent of the time in exchange for not hitting the tolerance. ---
**Author:** ![SR1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sr1/32/104603_2.png) [@SR1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SR1)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/257 "2023-09-08T22:46:59Z")
Idk about anything here but if Dirty Birdy had any hand in telling you to run as many fat tires as you do… don’t listen to that guy lmfao ---
**Author:** ![abellia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/abellia/32/627459_2.png) [@abellia](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/abellia)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/258 "2023-09-08T22:47:43Z")
> [@Nova](#): > > Why are we using tight bearing seats as a strawman argument about the influence of a country of origin on the quality of a yoyo? There’s mountains of evidence that manufacturers like FPM and Topyo don’t rely on tight bearing seats to produce high quality yoyos, but at that point we’re no longer comparing China to USA–We’re pitting One Drop against every other company out there. I think we’re starting to go in circles. ---
**Author:** ![MaximShoots](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/maximshoots/32/171131_2.png) [@MaximShoots](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MaximShoots)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/259 "2023-09-08T22:47:51Z")
@da5id Out of curiosity and in no way out of disrespect, could we possibly have a OD version of a modern pure competition yo-yo (any category of play ie. speed, tech, zoning, etc)? Saying this as a fan, tangential to this conversation. ---
**Author:** ![mrJames](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mrjames/32/236865_2.png) [@mrJames](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrJames)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/260 "2023-09-08T22:49:21Z")
Thanks for isolating the content, but I don’t translate the snippets in or out of context to mean, “We don’t do it 'cuz it’s too hard.” With his previous comments on cost to tolerance ratio, I interpret his words to mean that the tolerances these features would require will cost a significant amount of money for them to successfully accomplish. ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/261 "2023-09-08T22:49:25Z")
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