# Made in USA **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [September 3, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774 "2023-09-03T13:43:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![MattC](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattc/32/258241_2.png) [@MattC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MattC)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/182 "2023-09-08T20:48:31Z")
Boy yall in here DEEEP in this convo What yall doing? ---
**Author:** ![mrJames](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mrjames/32/236865_2.png) [@mrJames](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrJames)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/183 "2023-09-08T20:49:04Z")
Wizard, Fat Tire, Wyvern, T1, Free Solo… 45-48mm. What do _you_ consider wide? ---
**Author:** ![theendofcake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theendofcake/32/245990_2.png) [@theendofcake](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/theendofcake)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/184 "2023-09-08T20:50:55Z")
random yyf kapital plug, just wanna insert myself in the convo :3 ---
**Author:** ![hsb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hsb/32/193274_2.png) [@hsb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hsb)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/185 "2023-09-08T20:53:07Z")
I think there is plenty of comparing equally or more expensive Chinese-made yo-yos to make the point that they are just as good or better. But of all the Chinese-made\* yo-yos I have up to $150+ in price, as a rule they require the bearing tool to pry the bearing from the post. There may be exceptions, but I would be surprised if they exist at a comparable price-point to what OD charges for yo-yos manufactured to consistently higher specifications. The contention is that OD prioritizes a level of precision that other manufacturers do not. I haven’t really heard anyone argue that OD is wrong, and that overly tight bearing posts are a not common among their competitors products, or that it is a non-issue for durability. Personally, I think that argument could be made, at least in the context of “normal use life”. OD can take pride in a product that doesn’t require this kind of caveat. There are plenty of companies with priorities that I don’t share, but I can give them credit for caring about something and actually making a case for why. Personally, I think that geographical location is irrelevant. I don’t seen where even OD is claiming that Chinese companies are technically incapable or matching their precision. The contention is that they choose not to. That may be for cost reasons, although I’m wondering why those $150 - $200 yoyos have the same issue. Maybe these companies simply don’t believe that higher precision would yield more sales or more satisfied customers. \*- I should have simply stated “non-OD”, since I the country of manufacture is not really relevant IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Grendel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/grendel/32/92975_2.png) [@Grendel](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Grendel)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/186 "2023-09-08T20:53:23Z")
Tom Kuhn, cough cough. Love him or hate him let’s hear it for my buddy Brad Countryman!!! ---
**Author:** ![hsb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hsb/32/193274_2.png) [@hsb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hsb)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/187 "2023-09-08T20:58:55Z")
> [@Albertino](#): > > Lets not forget that thanks to china so many people not able to afford 70£ monometal, they can start and yoyo easily spending more or less 12£ and this is not a detail to leave out honestly. I think OD deserves some credit for making metal yo-yos affordable. (But I agree that other brands have pushed prices for good quality even lower.) ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/188 "2023-09-08T21:01:01Z")
I agree. We didn’t sign up to represent American yoyo making. This is why we prefer to say #madeinhouse. ---
**Author:** ![abellia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/abellia/32/627459_2.png) [@abellia](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/abellia)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/189 "2023-09-08T21:02:55Z")
…that’s because OneDrop is the only yoyo manafacturer in the US that puts out anywhere near decent product…and they don’t make experimental or risky designs. They just keep pumping out flat tires. ---
**Author:** ![Nova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nova/32/172750_2.png) [@Nova](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nova)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/190 "2023-09-08T21:03:04Z")
I didn’t understand what this meant so i took some pictures of a 43mm yoyo next to modern “wide” yoyos in an attempt to gain some insight. Could you help me understand what you mean? ![20230908_155632](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/3/b/13b24f1077b076fee0a4e5e9c545b5fd83864a4b.jpeg) ![20230908_155615](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/2/5/9/259f820623ebbf8c52ad716f461aa6954f281cfa.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Albertino](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/albertino/32/302953_2.png) [@Albertino](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Albertino)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/191 "2023-09-08T21:04:36Z")
Nothing against One drop, back then I used to love it as a brand but far away to call it affordable honestly, when I was a student I dreamt for a Code 1 which was absolutely out of my league money wise. Now magic yoyos (which i am not a fan at all) make bimetals at half of the price if not less (or yoyofactory just to mention another brand), making performance oriented yoyos available for real to everyone. For me affordable is much less than 60$ a monometal yoyo, looking it from the point of view of someone that has to rely on parents that dont know the yoyo world (like me when I was dreaming my code 1) ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/192 "2023-09-08T21:07:30Z")
Someone here said that Side Effects are a genius innovation. They absolutely are, @da5id. Respect. ---
**Author:** ![mrJames](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mrjames/32/236865_2.png) [@mrJames](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrJames)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/193 "2023-09-08T21:10:48Z")
I have a number of Chinese made yoyos with overtight bearing posts that are significantly more expensive than my One Drops and their perfectly machined bearing posts. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/194 "2023-09-08T21:11:39Z")
Guys stop we all know Watieoboo makes the best yoyos. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![abellia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/abellia/32/627459_2.png) [@abellia](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/abellia)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/195 "2023-09-08T21:11:42Z")
Side Effects are awesome. Durability benefits, the ability to customize a yoyo to play how you like, and there’s _still_ a lot of potential with all the wacky new cup gimmicks (lego hubs, hubstacks, fingerspin dimples) that are around nowadays - what’s not to like? While David is reading this thread - any chance of y’all making more kuntosh 5kqvs? ---
**Author:** ![Grendel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/grendel/32/92975_2.png) [@Grendel](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Grendel)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/196 "2023-09-08T21:12:06Z")
It was Shawn. ---
**Author:** ![mrJames](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mrjames/32/236865_2.png) [@mrJames](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrJames)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/197 "2023-09-08T21:13:16Z")
Ah thanks for that, I had no idea. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/198 "2023-09-08T21:14:15Z")
It was onedrop, which is both David and Shawn. ---
**Author:** ![KirbyRobot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kirbyrobot/32/608292_2.png) [@KirbyRobot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/KirbyRobot)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/199 "2023-09-08T21:14:39Z")
I have a number of Chinese-made yoyos with perfect bearing posts that are significantly cheaper than One Drops and their perfectly machined bearing posts. Just sayin’. Heck my own yoyo is machined in China and has a perfect bearing post while staying smooth. I’ve seen enough of this argument over and over that I’m just gonna point out and say: It’s anecdotal and invalid. ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/200 "2023-09-08T21:16:07Z")
It’s the ratio that’s important its subjective what ratio means wide. The width only has meaning in relation to the diameter. You could have a width of 100mm, but if the yoyo had a diameter of 200mm, then it wouldn’t be wide would it? We called our widest yoyo the “1 to 1” because that was ratio. Or converted, 100%. I would agree, our idea of what ratio is “wide” migth be different from yours and that’s fine. We tend to the 75% - 80% range. We’ve done both wider and narrower than that range though. BTW, none of those wide yoyos pictured there have big axial rim weight. ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774/201 "2023-09-08T21:17:46Z")
It’s true you can get good bearing posts because the right size is part of the tolerance range so sometimes they hit it, but most often not. My proof is that those yoyo brands tend to sell bearing removal tools. We don’t have sell one. And this was brought up in this thread before me - the “squeak” and the need for a bearing removal tool are well known and not contested. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/made-in-usa/383774.md?page=11)