# Looking for a Long Spinning, Undersized yoyo for VERY technical string tricks! **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [April 20, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/looking-for-a-long-spinning-undersized-yoyo-for-very-technical-string-tricks/37040 "2012-04-20T20:49:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Slade\_Riggs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Slade\_Riggs](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Slade_Riggs)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/looking-for-a-long-spinning-undersized-yoyo-for-very-technical-string-tricks/37040/21 "2012-04-21T19:12:05Z")
> [@aznnboyaZ](#): > > > [@Slade\_Riggs](#): > > > > My skyline was the longest spinning undersized that I have ever tried other than a messiah. Very good undersized so maby you might need to work on your throw but bearings and string make a diffrence as well. I say if you are unsatisfied with the skyline then by all means go for the messiah. MUCH better performance than the dietz that others are recommending. For me the dietz is ok, nothing special but the messiah has a 12 minute spin time if you just let it sleep. It really is a great yoyo and since you have the money for it I say go get it, hope that helps. Also a big thing is prefrence, alot of people are recommending the dietz and I just wouldn’t, so it is about trying out diffrent yoyos and seeing what you like. > > Yeahhh, the Skyline? > i rather dislike it and am looking to get rid of it! > i just really dont like it. > Messiah? > Yeah thats true! > BUt someone said its very soild and plays heavy. > i dont like the feeling of heavy as it hurts my finger ;/ Well like I said, we all have our prefrences, hehe. I don’t like heavy yoyos either but the messiah didn’t seem that heavy to me, solid but not really heavy. Another yoyo I could recommend would be the trident. It is more midsized than undersized but is very very good as well. If you want light then I say go for the Trident or the dietz. Also like studio said, learning to throw harder and straighter helps alot. The skyline I had also had a vibe that you could see when it was spinning and I think it was enough to affect performance so I know that a smoother skyline can really spin long. It may be your throw as well but again I do not know. ---
**Author:** ![sirnaq\_MN42](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sirnaq_mn42/32/613_2.png) [@sirnaq\_MN42](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sirnaq_MN42)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/looking-for-a-long-spinning-undersized-yoyo-for-very-technical-string-tricks/37040/22 "2012-04-21T19:34:18Z")
> [@aznnboyaZ](#): > > > [@Slade\_Riggs](#): > > > > My skyline was the longest spinning undersized that I have ever tried other than a messiah. Very good undersized so maby you might need to work on your throw but bearings and string make a diffrence as well. I say if you are unsatisfied with the skyline then by all means go for the messiah. MUCH better performance than the dietz that others are recommending. For me the dietz is ok, nothing special but the messiah has a 12 minute spin time if you just let it sleep. It really is a great yoyo and since you have the money for it I say go get it, hope that helps. Also a big thing is prefrence, alot of people are recommending the dietz and I just wouldn’t, so it is about trying out diffrent yoyos and seeing what you like. > > Yeahhh, the Skyline? > i rather dislike it and am looking to get rid of it! > i just really dont like it. > Messiah? > Yeah thats true! > BUt someone said its very soild and plays heavy. > i dont like the feeling of heavy as it hurts my finger ;/ Me saying the messiah feels heavy probably isn’t the best measurement of weight. My preferred weight is like 63 grams so a lot of yo-yos feel too heavy for me. The messiah is probably the best playing undersized yoyo I have played. ---
**Author:** ![YoYoFactoryFreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a88e4f/32.png) [@YoYoFactoryFreak](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoFactoryFreak)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/looking-for-a-long-spinning-undersized-yoyo-for-very-technical-string-tricks/37040/23 "2012-04-21T20:15:28Z")
> [@Slade\_Riggs](#): > > > [@aznnboyaZ](#): > > > > > [@Slade\_Riggs](#): > > > > > > My skyline was the longest spinning undersized that I have ever tried other than a messiah. Very good undersized so maby you might need to work on your throw but bearings and string make a diffrence as well. I say if you are unsatisfied with the skyline then by all means go for the messiah. MUCH better performance than the dietz that others are recommending. For me the dietz is ok, nothing special but the messiah has a 12 minute spin time if you just let it sleep. It really is a great yoyo and since you have the money for it I say go get it, hope that helps. Also a big thing is prefrence, alot of people are recommending the dietz and I just wouldn’t, so it is about trying out diffrent yoyos and seeing what you like. > > > > Yeahhh, the Skyline? > > i rather dislike it and am looking to get rid of it! > > i just really dont like it. > > Messiah? > > Yeah thats true! > > BUt someone said its very soild and plays heavy. > > i dont like the feeling of heavy as it hurts my finger ;/ > > Well like I said, we all have our prefrences, hehe. I don’t like heavy yoyos either but the messiah didn’t seem that heavy to me, solid but not really heavy. Another yoyo I could recommend would be the trident. It is more midsized than undersized but is very very good as well. If you want light then I say go for the Trident or the dietz. > > Also like studio said, learning to throw harder and straighter helps alot. The skyline I had also had a vibe that you could see when it was spinning and I think it was enough to affect performance so I know that a smoother skyline can really spin long. It may be your throw as well but again I do not know. Trident spins for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![aznnboyaZ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aznnboyaz/32/651830_2.png) [@aznnboyaZ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/aznnboyaZ)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2012, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/looking-for-a-long-spinning-undersized-yoyo-for-very-technical-string-tricks/37040/24 "2012-04-22T00:27:42Z")
> [@Studio42](#): > > > [@aznnboyaZ](#): > > > > > [@YoYoFactoryFreak](#): > > > > > > Learn to throw harder. > > > > If you arent gonna answer myquestion, dont reply? > > Thanks > > It’s actually quite valid information towards your end goal. Getting a yoyo that meets all your specs won’t mean a hill of beans if you can’t throw it properly and hard enough. Often, that’s really what people need to do is just throw better. > > You’re just adding in that you want an undersized yoyo into the equation. Well, i can do sleepers and what not on yoyos like my berserker for 6-7 mins but during combos, they always spin out! (probably bc the string hits the side of the yoyo alot) and i dont know, but i cant seem to figure out why the skyline doesnt do it for me! i just gave it another go today, i dont like it. ---
**Author:** ![stickman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stickman/32/72733_2.png) [@stickman](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stickman)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2012, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/looking-for-a-long-spinning-undersized-yoyo-for-very-technical-string-tricks/37040/25 "2012-04-24T08:56:18Z")
Much to my pleasant surprise, I have found that my YYJ Karma with a KK bearing has tremendous spin time. It’s a very fast throw, really stable & nicely built. The weight is centered a bit low so it throws predicably. It’s a very robust throw for YYJ in my opinion. It has been one of my primary throws, as well as the Berserker, for learning new tricks with. ---
**Author:** ![amanojakumo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/amanojakumo/32/173_2.png) [@amanojakumo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/amanojakumo)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/looking-for-a-long-spinning-undersized-yoyo-for-very-technical-string-tricks/37040/26 "2012-04-27T13:37:42Z")
I couldn’t comment until I owned an undersized I really liked. Now that I’ve thrown a dietz, I would highly suggest it. Up til now my goto undersized was a yuuksta. It’s good, but definitely plays like an undersized. The dietz really has the feel of a full size in an undersized body. ---
**Author:** ![fjh123](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fjh123/32/325_2.png) [@fjh123](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fjh123)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/looking-for-a-long-spinning-undersized-yoyo-for-very-technical-string-tricks/37040/27 "2012-04-27T20:41:39Z")
What ever one you get put a TX S/C wing cut bearing in it and see how much more you can do with a throw and still bind. ---
**Author:** ![papaYOYO](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/papayoyo/32/926_2.png) [@papaYOYO](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/papaYOYO)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2012, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/looking-for-a-long-spinning-undersized-yoyo-for-very-technical-string-tricks/37040/28 "2012-04-28T22:10:57Z")
Yoyojam’s Vigilante is undersized, longspinning, and very quick. Great for technical stuff and because of the price and size it makes a great yoyo to throw in your pocket for on the go yoyoing. You wouldn’t be dissapointed. ---
**Author:** ![yoyokid8](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyokid8/32/1094_2.png) [@yoyokid8](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyokid8)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/looking-for-a-long-spinning-undersized-yoyo-for-very-technical-string-tricks/37040/29 "2012-04-29T00:49:12Z")
Dietz + Smooth Move. Awwww yeah. ---
**Author:** ![sniffy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sniffy/32/729_2.png) [@sniffy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sniffy)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/looking-for-a-long-spinning-undersized-yoyo-for-very-technical-string-tricks/37040/30 "2012-05-01T04:14:53Z")
> [@yoyokid8](#): > > Dietz + Smooth Move. Awwww yeah. Both are great [Sniffy-Yo.com](http://Sniffy-Yo.com) @Sniffyo on twitter ---
**Author:** ![Domin123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@Domin123](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Domin123)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/looking-for-a-long-spinning-undersized-yoyo-for-very-technical-string-tricks/37040/31 "2012-05-01T10:59:29Z")
Based on what I have, I would suggest the Boss. Its rim weight might increase the sleep times significantly. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/looking-for-a-long-spinning-undersized-yoyo-for-very-technical-string-tricks/37040.md?page=1)