# Legacy Peak vs First Run Peak **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Reviews\ **Created:** [July 21, 2026, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439 "2026-07-21T11:10:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Will](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/will/32/687327_2.png) [@Will](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Will)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/1 "2026-07-21T11:10:18Z")
I was recently lucky enough to pick up a legacy peak, and was even luckier to pick up a first run 28 stories peak a few years back. I thought a few people might enjoy a comparison between the two, so here it is. If you have any questions or want any specific pictures, feel free to ask. ![12024](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/e/8/ae85d619ea69b10d063855033d5bd2fd2b382bd7.jpeg) Visually, they’re incredibly similar. The original obviously has a slightly different finish, which is less glossy, but BT have done an amazing job at recreating the original colourway from Pioneer. I’d say it’s the closest recreation I’ve seen to date. ![12018](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/6/9/5/6956fb63e36fd1e16179a5ab4b9390c0e508c276.jpeg) There’s no change to the response, and the legacy ships with a pleasingly nostalgic flat bearing (a 10 ball to go along with the One Drop machining). The most noticeable difference here is that the original axle post curves down in the middle, whereas the legacy is flatter. I assume this change was one of the alterations made by the original machine shop. ![12019](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/7/3/9732235b25da6804b17dda4b2ce5fac171606f52.jpeg) A look at the inside walls makes the legacy appear slightly more high-walled, but I think this is mostly down to the light reflecting differently on the less matte surface. ![12022](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/4/d/2/4d25c33984ace6c66675f7561921bcfec5768c3a.jpeg) The rim on the legacy appears to be a hair wider, and the inside edge is just slightly sharper on the original. The outside rim has the same familiar roundedness, rather than the flatter design of the second run. The nipple feels a little sharper on the legacy, which I figure is down to more precise machining (the original 28s was known for having one flat nipple, and one pointed). ![12021](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/8/d/e8d5341c5101dc715c90e62f0a81f195d4b62805.jpeg) As there is no obvious change in specs (I don’t have a scale or any way of providing precise measurements), the minute differences don’t translate to a major difference in play, but there are subtle nuances to each. UPDATE: I have since confirmed that the legacy peak is 0.7g heavier than my first run. Other people have measured both at the same weight. ![12020](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/f/5/af5adfb2de42d09d6862ef3049261b97320ab7de.jpeg) The original has a certain thunk to it, which combined with the floatiness it somehow carries creates a fairly unique feeling. The legacy maintains the balance brilliantly, feeling just a touch lighter, and more nimble as a result. While both play excellently, the legacy has a little more purpose to it, and ends up playing a bit more like a third run (arguably the best playing peaks). ![12023](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/9/6/e964441ec6186d405577b14706273cc780bc00ac.jpeg) Overall, I’d have a hard time guessing which I was playing if blindfolded, and unless you’ve spent years obsessing over peaks, the minute differences are easy to miss. All in all, the legacy peak is the perfect celebration of the original design, and I can only hope they run some more in years to come (I know another 50 are already on the way). ---
**Author:** ![BandH](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bandh/32/695268_2.png) [@BandH](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/BandH)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/2 "2026-07-21T11:50:03Z")
Excellent write up and pics, thanks for taking the time! ---
**Author:** ![Lukoyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lukoyo/32/24789_2.png) [@Lukoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lukoyo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/3 "2026-07-21T12:55:03Z")
Glad you managed to grab one eventually! ---
**Author:** ![persson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/persson/32/208357_2.png) [@persson](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/persson)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/4 "2026-07-21T13:27:16Z")
Very interesting, excellent observations and beautiful photos! Thanks! As regards the anodic coloring, the color shades and the acid wash are surprisingly the same, the only difference lies in the product used to mask the red splashes which on the Pioneer OG was much more fluid and therefore formed very thin lines and drippings (absent on Legacy), a very beautiful and characterizing effect which was typical of the anodizations of the Caribou of the time (BvsM Wolverine, Ogopogo, etc.) the product used on the Legacy on the other hand is certainly denser and it produces thicker and “coarser” splashes… from that aspect the result was not achieved in my opinion and I repeat, that type of splash was very, very characteristic. P.s. How many Legacys were made and where were they sold? ---
**Author:** ![neonfishingrod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e9c0ed/32.png) [@neonfishingrod](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/neonfishingrod)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/5 "2026-07-21T14:08:04Z")
> [@2026 CLYW x Onedrop hype thread](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/2026-clyw-x-onedrop-hype-thread/441716/253): > > Huge news: I really hope this doesn’t mean only 100 ever, US Nationals also feels like a snub to Canada smiling_face_with_tear 100 made, 50 dropped in person at us nats (🙄), rest tbd. allegedly more will be made next year at some point but also tbd. ---
**Author:** ![Tempura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/tempura/32/246135_2.png) [@Tempura](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Tempura)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/6 "2026-07-21T14:13:15Z")
The thunk could just be your response? ---
**Author:** ![Flapjack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/flapjack/32/698167_2.png) [@Flapjack](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Flapjack)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/7 "2026-07-21T14:47:26Z")
I think Steve said they’re trying to make another run in time for worlds. ---
**Author:** ![yoyodiscussion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/9dc877/32.png) [@yoyodiscussion](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodiscussion)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/9 "2026-07-21T17:50:54Z")
This is accurate! ---
**Author:** ![Will](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/will/32/687327_2.png) [@Will](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Will)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/10 "2026-07-21T18:57:52Z")
I’ve played a whole bunch of peaks over the years, they all have what I would describe as a thunk, characteristic of a lot of yoyos from time period. It’s not a negative, and certainly not as noticeable as the kickback that impacted some older designs, like the G&E series. ---
**Author:** ![Tempura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/tempura/32/246135_2.png) [@Tempura](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Tempura)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/11 "2026-07-21T20:02:25Z")
But why? ---
**Author:** ![Will](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/will/32/687327_2.png) [@Will](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Will)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/12 "2026-07-21T20:29:30Z")
Why would I describe it that way? Or why do I think it’s the case? For me most modern yoyos are either floaty, or solid, depending on the design. It’s a spectrum for sure, with something like the chief or cascade at one end, and maybe more like the sasquatch or P2 at the other. I think a lot of mid-school yo-yos tried to strike a balance; adding weight for spin time, without pushing too much to the rims, as more modern designs have. I think it’s this point between centre and rim weighted which gives some older designs a slightly dense feeling on a throw (an example off the top of my head would be a bapezilla). There’s a certain feeling as it hits the bottom of a throw, not a dead weight, but certainly not flowing into the next movement like more modern designs do. There are definite exceptions, like the first 888s, but it feels like a characteristic of a lot of '06-'08 yoyos for me at least. The original peak strikes a really unique balance, a little bit of that ‘thunk’, but definitely still floaty, which I think is a bit part of what has made it so popular. The modern machining of the legacy seems to get rid of that ‘thunk’ a little bit, and it ends up feeling a little more deliberate as you reach the end of a throw. I don’t really know much about yoyo design, and modern to me is stuck in 2011, so take this all with a pinch of salt; just my feelings ---
**Author:** ![Tempura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/tempura/32/246135_2.png) [@Tempura](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Tempura)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/13 "2026-07-21T20:53:09Z")
What I mean is that in this specific instance, the response set up is the only possible difference that might lead to a thunk feeling in the OG but not the legacy Peak that I can think of. People also used to favour much thinner strings back in the day than they do now which might have contributed to your impression of older yoyos. ---
**Author:** ![Will](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/will/32/687327_2.png) [@Will](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Will)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/14 "2026-07-21T21:36:17Z")
Since the original machine shop made changes to Chris’ design, it’s no suprise that the legacy feels a little different - they’re brothers, not twins. You may be right about thinner strings! ---
**Author:** ![persson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/persson/32/208357_2.png) [@persson](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/persson)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2026, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/15 "2026-07-22T07:04:44Z")
> [@Will](#): > > There’s no change to the response I was just thinking about this… Peaks have always had flowable silicone as a return system, and the grooves aren’t supposed to be the same size as Snow Tire pads… it’s hard to tell by looking at the photos, we’d have to ask… ---
**Author:** ![Will](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/will/32/687327_2.png) [@Will](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Will)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2026, 9:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/16 "2026-07-22T09:26:49Z")
The grooves are the same size as snow tires. I have a vague memory that the old grooves were just slightly shallower, leaving snow tires sitting proud in peaks, BvMs, wooly marmots, etc but I haven’t tried in years now. It may be down to the variability of snow tires, I know they’ve been a little too thick in the last couple years. The particular snow tires in my legacy peak are slightly recessed. ---
**Author:** ![Will](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/will/32/687327_2.png) [@Will](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Will)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/17 "2026-09-15T09:18:55Z")
Adding a note here as I now have a scale - 0.7g weight difference between the two I have. Other people have found no weight difference. ![13575](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/6/9/b/69b971ed19e3e92608d3c45a9cf92d9d6980679c.jpeg) ![13576](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/e/e/eee6561370345fd1414721ff27999c8fc9512686.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![atdesignlab](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/atdesignlab/32/610575_2.png) [@atdesignlab](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/atdesignlab)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-peak-vs-first-run-peak/449439/18 "2026-09-15T11:05:34Z")
My first run Peak is 66.8g. I’m not certain the correct weight but yours looks have many scratch and may be lighter than usual.