# Legacy or PGMv2 or Counter ATK ?
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-or-pgmv2-or-counter-atk/7006
**Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation
**Created:** [September 30, 2009, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-or-pgmv2-or-counter-atk/7006 "2009-09-30T12:12:22Z")
**Posts on this page:** 5
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### Author:  [@xShinji](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/xShinji)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2009, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-or-pgmv2-or-counter-atk/7006/1 "2009-09-30T12:12:22Z")
Name: Grind Machine v2
Designer: YoYoFactory
Weight: 63 Grams
Diameter: 56 mm
Width: 41.8 mm
Gap Size: 4.34 mm
Response: Kentaro pad
Price: 28-29 US/44-45 US
Specs : \*Patent Pending HUBSTACK technology
\*YoYoFactory SPEC bearing for super long spins.
Cons : \*axle is locked to the yo-yo → unable to mod much
\*Seems to be wobble alot but can be fixed by cleaning the
hubs screw part of the body
Name: Legacy
Designer: YoYoJam
Weight: 68 Grams
Diameter: 55.3 mm
Width: 39.6 mm
Gap Size: 4.34 mm
Response: Flush Silicone O-Ring
Price: 24-25 US
Specs : \*Come with Flowable Silicon response system
\*Legacy can take Synergy Rings
\*crafted in Celcon plastic
Cons : Did not well balanced using standard duncanball as counterweight
And now the recently new yo-yo counter atk! .
Ctr-Atk
## \*Same Design as PGM and seem will be going to do more better~~ not much info i know for now \*new Center-Trac bearing \*Look nicest among the option \*Come with K-pad
I have played Legacy and find it extremely smooth and the weight is just good for me.
but PGMv2 has hubs which enable hub-trick and about the same weight .And now counter-atk , which look quite similar with PGMv2 and has new Center-Trac Bearing.
I’m looking for unresponsive , smooth and able to take alot few layer of strings …which should I get?
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### Author:  [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-or-pgmv2-or-counter-atk/7006/2 "2009-10-01T13:45:59Z")
All of them will work fr you. but I would go w/ the Legacy.
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### Author:  [@xShinji](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/xShinji)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-or-pgmv2-or-counter-atk/7006/3 "2009-10-01T14:41:57Z")
hmm …
which 1 among them is smoothest and provide less snag when do bind?
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### Author:  [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2009, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-or-pgmv2-or-counter-atk/7006/4 "2009-10-01T15:33:36Z")
With good binding skills, they will all be fine. Make sure you do a backspin bind and that you don’t use too big of a loop for the bind.
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### Author:  [@xShinji](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/xShinji)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/legacy-or-pgmv2-or-counter-atk/7006/5 "2009-10-03T14:57:50Z")
hmm…guess there all pretty similar ~~~ …I will be go for counter attack…Want try center-trac bearing
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