# konkave for dark magic **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Mods and Maintenance\ **Created:** [July 8, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048 "2009-07-08T17:43:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![benyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@benyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/benyo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/1 "2009-07-08T17:43:43Z")
just wondering if konkave bearings make any difference for a Dark magic ??? ---
**Author:** ![polloyoyo12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dec6dc/32.png) [@polloyoyo12](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/polloyoyo12)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/2 "2009-07-08T17:59:29Z")
longer spin times and it will go unresponsive so if u know how to bind and want a longer spin times this is a great bearing ---
**Author:** ![mongoriller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b3f665/32.png) [@mongoriller](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mongoriller)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/3 "2009-07-08T18:05:45Z")
> [@polloyoyo12](#): > > longer spin times and it will go unresponsive so if u know how to bind and want a longer spin times this is a great bearing The Dark Magic is an unresponsive yo-yo, it will be unresponsive without a KK bearing. It can improve spin times, but spin times don’t matter that much! If you really do care and you don’t like your bearing right now, just try cleaning your bearing and waiting a few days. If it’s still not working you might not like the feel of your yo-yo. (I have much longer spin times with an undersized M1 than the big DM) If you really want to you could get a KK bearing, but I wouldn’t in your position. ---
**Author:** ![DYonch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bc79bd/32.png) [@DYonch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DYonch)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/4 "2009-07-08T18:12:16Z")
> [@mongoriller](#): > > > [@polloyoyo12](#): > > > > longer spin times and it will go unresponsive so if u know how to bind and want a longer spin times this is a great bearing > > The Dark Magic is an unresponsive yo-yo, it will be unresponsive without a KK bearing. It can improve spin times, but spin times don’t matter that much! If you really do care and you don’t like your bearing right now, just try cleaning your bearing and waiting a few days. If it’s still not working you might not like the feel of your yo-yo. (I have much longer spin times with an undersized M1 than the big DM) If you really want to you could get a KK bearing, but I wouldn’t in your position. Actually, the DM is a responsive yoyo. However, some recent runs have not been lubed, so they are somewhat unresponsive. You can make it unresponsive by adding shims, a KonKave bearing, or Thin Lube. > [@benyo](#): > > just wondering if konkave bearings make any difference for a Dark magic ??? They do make a difference, but I don’t think it is worth $15. I would just practice your throw. ---
**Author:** ![DaShiznit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/dashiznit/32/62_2.png) [@DaShiznit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DaShiznit)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/5 "2009-07-08T19:52:23Z")
> [@benyo](#): > > just wondering if konkave bearings make any difference for a Dark magic ??? You don’t really need a KK. A regular YYJ bearing can take you all the way to master tricks and beyond. But, if you want a new bearing and have 15 bucks to blow, a KK would be an upgrade from the YYJ bearing. ---
**Author:** ![speedmaker1101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/speedmaker1101/32/95_2.png) [@speedmaker1101](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/speedmaker1101)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/6 "2009-07-08T20:16:46Z")
KKs are fun and all but they just arent worth the money in my opinion. i prefer a dry 10 ball…which is cheaper than a kk! ---
**Author:** ![Spencer\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spencer_l/32/180_2.png) [@Spencer\_L](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Spencer_L)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/7 "2009-07-08T20:18:09Z")
Depends. Are you willing to buy a ceramic KonKave, or a steel KonKave? Andre uses a steel KonKave bearing to get his Dark Magic to sleep longer than a regular YoYoJam bearing. It makes it un-responsive, and makes it sleep longer. A ceramic KonKave is worth more, that is if you want to spend more money. Ceramic KonKave bearings last longer, and do about double a KonKave, all in one. Yeah. Wow… If you would buy a KonKave, make it worth your money, and buy a ceramic KonKave. Is it worth the play? Yes! Do you need it? No! Standard bearings should do you fine. As long as you have a well-working bearing that sleeps long enough, keep it stock. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![mattsk8nike](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattsk8nike/32/213_2.png) [@mattsk8nike](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mattsk8nike)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/8 "2009-07-08T20:44:21Z")
Wrong Spencer, Dark Magics are sometimes unresponsive out of the box, stock bearing and all. ---
**Author:** ![Spencer\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spencer_l/32/180_2.png) [@Spencer\_L](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Spencer_L)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/9 "2009-07-08T20:48:13Z")
Rarely. Hybrid is a response of the 2 most responsive responses there is. With the gap all the way tight, I tried to do a bind new, and it flew up when I first got it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mattsk8nike](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattsk8nike/32/213_2.png) [@mattsk8nike](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mattsk8nike)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/10 "2009-07-08T20:51:01Z")
Ah Nice. Mine came unresponsive today. So I guess it depends. ---
**Author:** ![Paolo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Paolo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Paolo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/11 "2009-07-08T20:55:46Z")
> [@Spencer\_L](#): > > Depends. Are you willing to buy a ceramic KonKave, or a steel KonKave? > > Andre uses a steel KonKave bearing to get his Dark Magic to sleep longer than a regular YoYoJam bearing. > It makes it un-responsive, and makes it sleep longer. > > A ceramic KonKave is worth more, that is if you want to spend more money. Ceramic KonKave bearings last longer, and do about double a KonKave, all in one. Yeah. Wow… > > If you would buy a KonKave, make it worth your money, and buy a ceramic KonKave. > > Is it worth the play? Yes! Do you need it? No! > > Standard bearings should do you fine. As long as you have a well-working bearing that sleeps long enough, keep it stock. :wink: Actually, Andre uses stock Dark Magics. > [@DYonch](#): > > > [@mongoriller](#): > > > > > [@polloyoyo12](#): > > > > > > longer spin times and it will go unresponsive so if u know how to bind and want a longer spin times this is a great bearing > > > > The Dark Magic is an unresponsive yo-yo, it will be unresponsive without a KK bearing. It can improve spin times, but spin times don’t matter that much! If you really do care and you don’t like your bearing right now, just try cleaning your bearing and waiting a few days. If it’s still not working you might not like the feel of your yo-yo. (I have much longer spin times with an undersized M1 than the big DM) If you really want to you could get a KK bearing, but I wouldn’t in your position. > > Actually, the DM is a responsive yoyo. However, some recent runs have not been lubed, so they are somewhat unresponsive. You can make it unresponsive by adding shims, a KonKave bearing, or Thin Lube. > > > [@benyo](#): > > > > just wondering if konkave bearings make any difference for a Dark magic ??? > > They do make a difference, but I don’t think it is worth $15. I would just practice your throw. Form m, all YoYoJam Thin Lube does is make it more responsive. Cleaning a bearing and running it dry makes it as unresponsive as it will get. ---
**Author:** ![mattsk8nike](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattsk8nike/32/213_2.png) [@mattsk8nike](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mattsk8nike)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/12 "2009-07-08T20:57:30Z")
Yes GM, If the bearing is already lubed. Adding thin lube will make it more responsive. ---
**Author:** ![Spencer\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spencer_l/32/180_2.png) [@Spencer\_L](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Spencer_L)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/13 "2009-07-08T21:01:13Z")
No he doesn’t! Everyone says this! I PM’d him a while back, and said he uses a KK to make it un-responsive!!! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/14 "2009-07-08T21:04:31Z")
Well that does not mean the Dark Magic is responsive without a KonKave bearing. Addment: Stock bearing makes the Dark Magic unresponsive. ---
**Author:** ![Spencer\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spencer_l/32/180_2.png) [@Spencer\_L](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Spencer_L)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/15 "2009-07-08T21:06:09Z")
Ok. That’s your theory, I believe it. He DID use a KK bearing to make it un-responsive, and my DM WAS responsive out of the box. KK, stock, even the new YYJ bearings. ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/16 "2009-07-08T21:20:56Z")
> [@Spencer\_L](#): > > Ok. That’s your theory, I believe it. > > He DID use a KK bearing to make it un-responsive, and my DM WAS responsive out of the box. KK, stock, even the new YYJ bearings. It’s not even theory, it’s FACT. And it’s kinda logic that you need to break in the bearing. That’s what André used to do before he started with the KonKaves. ---
**Author:** ![Spencer\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spencer_l/32/180_2.png) [@Spencer\_L](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Spencer_L)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/17 "2009-07-08T21:29:22Z")
You never said “before he started with the KonKaves.” You just said he didn’t and some come un-responsive out of the box. All I was told is he used them. That’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/18 "2009-07-08T21:38:17Z")
> [@Spencer\_L](#): > > You never said “before he started with the KonKaves.” > > You just said he didn’t and some come un-responsive out of the box. > > All I was told is he used them to make it unresponsive. That’s it. I must say I’m sorry for leaving out all the facts here. Big mess-up. But yea, as he said in the interview with Yin (long time ago) and in a post where he answered DocRobots questions: > [@Some Inquiries for Andre](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/some-inquiries-for-andre/1317/5): > > For a long time I did play the Dark Magic completely stock - I would simply break in the bearing and go from there. Currently I use a KonKave bearing with no shims and a relatively tight gap - I find the KonKave bearing makes the yo-yo much smoother and the tight gap keeps it responsive for doing regenerations but unresponsive for whip and slack tricks, etc. The best of both worlds. 🙂 This is probably why I think that André is not using the KonKave bearing just beacause he wants his yoyo unresponsive. I think he said it because the KonKave could help you out in the matter. Addment: Unless you left out some facts as well, André never answered that he uses the KonKave bearing to make his yoyo unresponsive. ---
**Author:** ![Spencer\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spencer_l/32/180_2.png) [@Spencer\_L](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Spencer_L)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/19 "2009-07-08T21:41:40Z")
It’s okay. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jack\_wiggin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jack_wiggin/32/211_2.png) [@jack\_wiggin](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jack_wiggin)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048/20 "2009-07-10T02:12:50Z")
ok well i got my darkmagic with a kk bearing today. i played with it for about an hour with a regular bearing and then switched to the kk bearing. with the regular bearing it had the ability to be responsive easily,once broken in it will still be responsive just not that resposive. with the kk it went totally unresponsive. the gap was as tight as possible but it was not tug responsive. i feel as if the kk improved performance. if you have a straight throw i wouldnt worry about it but if you feel as if you could use even the slightest help i would go for the kk. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/konkave-for-dark-magic/4048.md?page=2)