# KK's **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Tricks\ **Created:** [May 16, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/kks/26376 "2011-05-16T16:40:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MichaelBlm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/michaelblm/32/868_2.png) [@MichaelBlm](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MichaelBlm)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/kks/26376/1 "2011-05-16T16:40:19Z")
Can someone explain why KK’s make suiciding harder please? ---
**Author:** ![bonesraphs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bonesraphs/32/43_2.png) [@bonesraphs](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bonesraphs)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/kks/26376/2 "2011-05-16T17:58:15Z")
Well… In my experience I have never encountered a difficulty with suicide catches that have any connection to my bearing while utilizes a concave bearing ---
**Author:** ![skeletonboy333](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@skeletonboy333](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skeletonboy333)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/kks/26376/3 "2011-05-16T23:20:25Z")
I thought KK’s help suicides. ---
**Author:** ![nobody](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nobody/32/845_2.png) [@nobody](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/kks/26376/4 "2011-05-17T01:37:52Z")
If they do male them harder, then it would be because they make the loop smaller as they hold the string away from the response and it is the response that holds the string. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelBlm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/michaelblm/32/868_2.png) [@MichaelBlm](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MichaelBlm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/kks/26376/5 "2011-05-17T16:54:25Z")
When i do suicides i can never get the loop to open up i think its because of the kk. ---
**Author:** ![watchthis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/edb3f5/32.png) [@watchthis](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/watchthis)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/kks/26376/6 "2011-05-18T00:58:19Z")
kk’s actually make the center of the bearing smaller the bigger the center of the bearing the bigger your loop. because of the dip in the center of the kk it is much smaller inn the center compared to a c size bearing. with practice you can get used to this and your suicides will be as easy as they can be for you.!!! swing wider and hold your throw hand closer to the yoyo in the air… that worked for me anyway! good luck ---
**Author:** ![frodoslair](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/frodoslair/32/833_2.png) [@frodoslair](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/frodoslair)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/kks/26376/7 "2011-05-18T13:02:10Z")
You need a certain amount of friction to hold the loop in place when doing suicide. As KKs centre the string, there is less friction and the loop tends to slip through. ---
**Author:** ![Rika-chan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rika-chan/32/767_2.png) [@Rika-chan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rika-chan)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/kks/26376/8 "2011-05-18T23:59:19Z")
> [@watchthis](#): > > kk’s actually make the center of the bearing smaller the bigger the center of the bearing the bigger your loop. because of the dip in the center of the kk it is much smaller inn the center compared to a c size bearing. with practice you can get used to this and your suicides will be as easy as they can be for you.!!! swing wider and hold your throw hand closer to the yoyo in the air… that worked for me anyway! good luck wrong its the friction against the response system that makes it. if i have a bearing the size of a comp, and its a kk, and it wont touch the walls, itll keep it closed, if its flat, itll open ---
**Author:** ![jhb8426](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhb8426/32/631_2.png) [@jhb8426](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jhb8426)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2011, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/kks/26376/9 "2011-05-21T03:31:57Z")
> [@watchthis](#): > > kk’s actually make the center of the bearing smaller… If you’ve ever looked closely at a KK bearing you will see that the OD is not appreciably smaller than a standard C sized bearing. The concavity is subtle. ---
**Author:** ![watchthis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/edb3f5/32.png) [@watchthis](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/watchthis)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/kks/26376/10 "2011-06-02T15:19:35Z")
> [@frodoslair](#): > > You need a certain amount of friction to hold the loop in place when doing suicide. > > As KKs centre the string, there is less friction and the loop tends to slip through. After reading this I was off to practice and I found that holding your throw hand closer to the yoyo and pulling the string so it could touch the side of the yoyo opened my loop up … this technique worked for standard bearings aswell ---
**Author:** ![Rika-chan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rika-chan/32/767_2.png) [@Rika-chan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rika-chan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/kks/26376/11 "2011-06-03T12:17:50Z")
> [@watchthis](#): > > > [@frodoslair](#): > > > > You need a certain amount of friction to hold the loop in place when doing suicide. > > > > As KKs centre the string, there is less friction and the loop tends to slip through. > > After reading this I was off to practice and I found that holding your throw hand closer to the yoyo and pulling the string so it could touch the side of the yoyo opened my loop up … this technique worked for standard bearings aswell also= tilt and less spin