# is the protostar better than the counter attack
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**Created:** [November 17, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429 "2009-11-17T02:51:06Z")
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### Author:  [@collazoch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/collazoch)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/1 "2009-11-17T02:51:06Z")
is the protostar better than the counter attack in your opinion and im having a hard time picking my second yoyo and i think i might get the dark magic or the counter attack or the convict what are your opinions on those yoyos.thanks ;D
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### Author:  [@Smoke770077](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Smoke770077)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 3:03am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/2 "2009-11-17T03:03:31Z")
Im more than sure the Counter Attack and Protostar are both equaly amazing yoyos…Pick according to shape, I’d go protostar
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### Author:  [@AeroSlaYa](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AeroSlaYa)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/3 "2009-11-17T12:05:33Z")
> [@Mitch](#):
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> Im more than sure the Counter Attack and Protostar are both equaly amazing yoyos…Pick according to shape, I’d go protostar
Neither is better it’s about preference(size, shape, weight, looks,etc) I personally went with the Counter Attack because the Protostar looked pretty cheap to me. anybody else think that way?
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### Author:  [@Zavod](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Zavod)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/4 "2009-11-17T12:29:27Z")
I would agree that the ProtoStar looks a bit cheap, It doesn’t play cheap though, quite the contrary it plays like a dream. Now i haven’t tried the counter attack, but as yoyoblaze stated, it’s a matter of preference. Considering shape I’d pick the ProtoStar
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### Author:  [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/5 "2009-11-17T13:51:22Z")
Protostar for sure. That thing is a weird shape but Man is it a good throw!
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### Author:  [@Mr\_Yodel](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mr_Yodel)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/6 "2009-11-17T14:27:19Z")
I know YYF are personally most excited about the protostar and when I got one I can see why, they FLY!
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### Author:  [@AeroSlaYa](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AeroSlaYa)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/7 "2009-11-17T20:15:09Z")
> [@icthus](#):
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> Protostar for sure. That thing is a weird shape but Man is it a good throw!
The shape is derived from the YYF SEVERE, and if not they’re pretty darn close!!!
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### Author:  [@collazoch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/collazoch)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/8 "2009-11-18T01:28:05Z")
i also heard that the counter attack is less advanced than the protostar. would the protostar be to advanced for a intermediate player
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### Author:  [@reedfeath](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/reedfeath)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2009, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/9 "2009-11-18T01:33:08Z")
> [@collazoch](#):
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> i also heard that the counter attack is less advanced than the protostar. would the protostar be to advanced for a intermediate player
if you can bind well no problem :wink:
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### Author:  [@SR1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SR1)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/10 "2009-11-18T01:42:09Z")
I have tried both, and in my opinion, the Protostar is better.
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### Author:  [@collazoch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/collazoch)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2009, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/11 "2009-11-18T01:45:11Z")
could you guys put the pros and cons YOU think they have
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### Author:  [@JUMP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JUMP)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/12 "2009-11-18T02:56:27Z")
Counter Attack.
Pros: Nice familiar shape similar to that of the PGM. Nice grinds.
Cons: Vibe problem.
Protostar.
Pros: Very smooth and much longer spin than the Counter Attack. Center Trac Bearing.
Cons: If this is only your second yoyo, you may find the ultra wide shape and extreme unresponsiveness frusterating. Grinds badly, the texture is much too smooth and glossy.
I personlly prefer the Protostar, but that’s just me. I’d reccomend the Counter Attack for you though. 🙂
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### Author:  [@AeroSlaYa](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AeroSlaYa)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/13 "2009-11-18T21:27:50Z")
> [@JUMP](#):
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> ProtoStar
> Pros: Center Trac Bearing.
The Counter Attck also has a center trac bearing
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### Author:  [@collazoch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/collazoch)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/14 "2009-11-19T01:42:38Z")
is the protostar so unresponsive you would have to double bind it
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### Author:  [@JUMP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JUMP)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2009, 3:21am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/15 "2009-11-19T03:21:24Z")
No, you can do a regular bind, but you’ll find it harder to bind once the K-Pads wear down.
That’s why I think the Counter Attack would be better for you, because the gap is a little smaller and easierto bind. :wink:
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### Author:  [@AeroSlaYa](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AeroSlaYa)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/16 "2009-11-19T20:38:44Z")
> [@collazoch](#):
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> is the protostar so unresponsive you would have to double bind it
Very few yoyos are so unresponsive that you would have to Double Wrap it. I believe most people only double wrap in 4A.
Like JUMP said, after K-Pads are worn down, it’ll be harder to bind as the binds will get more slippery. Perhaps then will you have to double wrap…
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### Author:  [@Smoke770077](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Smoke770077)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/17 "2009-11-20T21:27:19Z")
> [@YoYoBlaze](#):
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> > [@collazoch](#):
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> > is the protostar so unresponsive you would have to double bind it
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> Very few yoyos are so unresponsive that you would have to Double Wrap it. I believe most people only double wrap in 4A.
> Like JUMP said, after K-Pads are worn down, it’ll be harder to bind as the binds will get more slippery. Perhaps then will you have to double wrap…
My K-Pads are pretty worn out, (I want me some of them yellow ones) and it does slip a little but not much… It really doesn’t affect play too much
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### Author:  [@ChosenYoMaster](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ChosenYoMaster)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/18 "2009-11-20T22:18:24Z")
I was to lazy to read the hole thread but the protostar is “beter” or a more advanced yoyo.
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### Author:  [@MikeMonster](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MikeMonster)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2009, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/19 "2009-11-22T13:49:49Z")
well i would say definitely dont get a dark magic or an x-convict unless your lucky because yyj has absolutely zero quality control 2 of the 3 yyj yoyos i got had a problem. but in the mater of the yyf yoyos id go with the counter attack because its jump off of the grind machine which is an already proven yoyo when although i havent played with the protostar and everyone says its amazing its a brand new version 1 yoyo so there could be bugs i would wait untill version 2 comes out or just wait a till some more reviews come out on it to be sure of its quality
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### Author:  [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2009, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-the-protostar-better-than-the-counter-attack/8429/20 "2009-11-22T14:04:42Z")
> [@MikeMonster](#):
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> well i would say definitely dont get a dark magic or an x-convict unless your lucky because yyj has absolutely zero quality control 2 of the 3 yyj yoyos i got had a problem. but in the mater of the yyf yoyos id go with the counter attack because its jump off of the grind machine which is an already proven yoyo when although i havent played with the protostar and everyone says its amazing its a brand new version 1 yoyo so there could be bugs i would wait untill version 2 comes out or just wait a till some more reviews come out on it to be sure of its quality
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