# is a Dark magic good yoyo for intermediate player? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [July 13, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230 "2009-07-13T14:16:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![helioNXG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@helioNXG](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/helioNXG)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/1 "2009-07-13T14:16:24Z")
is a Dark magic good yoyo for intermediate player? I’m finding a good yoyo for intermediate player like me. any suggestions? ??? ---
**Author:** ![muchacho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@muchacho](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/muchacho)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/2 "2009-07-13T14:17:48Z")
i personally dont like the DM but many others do its big and requires a bind i would say the hitman because it come unresponsive and its a different shape ---
**Author:** ![Spencer\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spencer_l/32/180_2.png) [@Spencer\_L](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Spencer_L)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/3 "2009-07-13T14:23:52Z")
Yes, it is a very good intermediate Yo-Yo. Long sleep times, can be responsive/un-responsive, good weight, a little big, but no worries. Perfect Yo-Yo for an intermediate-advanced player. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@random](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/random)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/4 "2009-07-13T14:43:38Z")
is a dark magic better than my skyline? ---
**Author:** ![Spencer\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spencer_l/32/180_2.png) [@Spencer\_L](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Spencer_L)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/5 "2009-07-13T14:45:52Z")
It is all preference. You are comparing a $40 Yo-Yo, to a $100 Yo-Yo. ---
**Author:** ![random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@random](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/random)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/6 "2009-07-13T14:51:23Z")
> [@Spencer\_L](#): > > It is all preference. > > You are comparing a $40 Yo-Yo, to a $100 Yo-Yo. what! the dark magic is 100$??? i would never pay that much for any yoyo mine is some paul kebel mexi dude ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/7 "2009-07-13T15:40:10Z")
> [@random](#): > > > [@Spencer\_L](#): > > > > It is all preference. > > > > You are comparing a $40 Yo-Yo, to a $100 Yo-Yo. > > what! the dark magic is 100$??? i would never pay that much for any yoyo > mine is some paul kebel mexi dude No the Skyline is worth 120 dollars. ---
**Author:** ![Spencer\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spencer_l/32/180_2.png) [@Spencer\_L](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Spencer_L)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/8 "2009-07-13T15:42:56Z")
I rounded it off. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@random](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/random)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/9 "2009-07-13T15:52:53Z")
Well I got mine for free. ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/10 "2009-07-13T15:57:18Z")
> [@random](#): > > Well I got mine for free. Wow, some really kind people must have given you that, because it is a really valuable item. ---
**Author:** ![Spencer\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spencer_l/32/180_2.png) [@Spencer\_L](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Spencer_L)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/11 "2009-07-13T15:59:22Z")
No, Pheenix, he didn’t. How would he get a Dark Magic if he doesn’t know what un-responsive is. He can only do the U.F.O. ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/12 "2009-07-13T16:15:58Z")
> [@Spencer\_L](#): > > No, Pheenix, he didn’t. > > How would he get a Dark Magic if he doesn’t know what un-responsive is. > > He can only do the U.F.O. He actually got a Skyline. You can easily read that from his posts. And he got the Skyline because someone gave it to him. ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/13 "2009-07-13T16:20:25Z")
Don’t take this like I don’t believe you, but random, are you sure it’s a Skyline? Back on topic, yes the Dark Magic is a good yoyo, great even. André even uses it as his main yoyo, so it definitely can’t be a bad one. ---
**Author:** ![random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@random](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/random)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/14 "2009-07-13T16:27:21Z")
> [@Apetrunk](#): > > Don’t take this like I don’t believe you, but random, are you sure it’s a Skyline? > > Back on topic, yes the Dark Magic is a good yoyo, great even. André even uses it as his main yoyo, so it definitely can’t be a bad one. [http://yoyonation.com/product.php?productid=16855&cat=0&page=1](http://yoyonation.com/product.php?productid=16855&cat=0&page=1) this exact one my friend gave it for free someone said the trick was called gyro flop? ---
**Author:** ![mattsk8nike](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattsk8nike/32/213_2.png) [@mattsk8nike](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mattsk8nike)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/15 "2009-07-13T23:07:35Z")
> [@random](#): > > > [@Apetrunk](#): > > > > Don’t take this like I don’t believe you, but random, are you sure it’s a Skyline? > > > > Back on topic, yes the Dark Magic is a good yoyo, great even. André even uses it as his main yoyo, so it definitely can’t be a bad one. > > [http://yoyonation.com/product.php?productid=16855&cat=0&page=1](http://yoyonation.com/product.php?productid=16855&cat=0&page=1) > this exact one my friend gave it for free > someone said the trick was called gyro flop? Well you’re lucky then! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Forechecker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/the_forechecker/32/141_2.png) [@The\_Forechecker](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/The_Forechecker)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/16 "2009-07-14T00:28:07Z")
I got a FHZ and a DM for free. I just put in my wifes paypal email and a week later… I had them! ;D Anyways, I took out one of the pads in the FHZ right away because it was way to responsive, even for a newb. I pretty much only used the DM for learning. It is just easier to do string tricks than any of the plastics I had…(I just got a PGM and that thing is pretty sick for a plastic, wish it was the first one I bought), but I like the DM better. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Forechecker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/the_forechecker/32/141_2.png) [@The\_Forechecker](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/The_Forechecker)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/17 "2009-07-14T00:30:14Z")
One negative with the DM is that it makes noise and vibes badly with the sidecaps in it. Always has…dont know if it is just mine, but an hour in, I took them out. Tried them again a couple of days ago and they still make the yo vibe terribly as well as “flap”. ---
**Author:** ![mattsk8nike](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattsk8nike/32/213_2.png) [@mattsk8nike](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mattsk8nike)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/18 "2009-07-14T00:33:57Z")
> [@The\_Forechecker](#): > > One negative with the DM is that it makes noise and vibes badly with the sidecaps in it. Always has…dont know if it is just mine, but an hour in, I took them out. Tried them again a couple of days ago and they still make the yo vibe terribly as well as “flap”. Mine doesn’t vibe terribly. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Forechecker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/the_forechecker/32/141_2.png) [@The\_Forechecker](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/The_Forechecker)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/19 "2009-07-14T00:40:41Z")
> [@Mattsk8nike](#): > > Mine doesn’t vibe terribly. Well mine did from the first throw, I took out the sidecaps and it was perfect. Maybe my caps are wonky? I dont really need them so I am fine without them. I thought that since Andre used only one in the training vids, it was normal. /shrug ---
**Author:** ![SR1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sr1/32/104603_2.png) [@SR1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SR1)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230/20 "2009-07-14T00:41:07Z")
My mini-review: The YoYoJam Signature Series Dark Magic is designed by yo-yo master Andre Boulay. The design of the actual yo-yo and the caps are beautiful. The yo-yo came unresponsive out of the box. The Dark Magic has a great feel, and when you first throw it, it feels awesome. Super long spin times for string tricks. The only down side to this yo-yo is that the metal dents easily if it hits the ground. Great yo-yo, 7/10. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-a-dark-magic-good-yoyo-for-intermediate-player/4230.md?page=2)