# Intermediate Buttefly Yoyo for String Tricks **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [June 23, 2010, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891 "2010-06-23T17:32:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bobnintendo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@bobnintendo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bobnintendo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/1 "2010-06-23T17:32:22Z")
Hey guys, I am looking for a new Yoyo, I already have the Sunset Trajectory (the first yoyo I bought, I just bought it so I have an ok yoyo for all the basic tricks) and the F.A.S.T. 201 which I mainly hear bad things about. To give you an impression of my skill, on my F.A.S.T. 201 the “most difficult” tricks I could do were Brain Twisters, with luck double or nothings, split the atom, and mach 5 which usually didn’t last more than a few seconds. I want a new yoyo because the F.A.S.T. 201 is generally considered a bad yoyo, and I think those black starburst thingies rub on my strings slowing it down. Also I don’t like the tight gap of it. Stupidly I bought it without reading more than 1 review on it. Also it is damn loud. To clarify my budget is about 50€ which is about 60$. But I don’t really want to spend that much. The price I’d want to pay is about 25€ (30$) or less. It should be butterfly shaped (for all those fancy string tricks), not totally unresponsive, have a wide gap, not fixed axle, and not fully aluminium (although I think that exceeds my budget anyways) ---
**Author:** ![lleraH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@lleraH](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/lleraH)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/2 "2010-06-23T17:44:37Z")
Add a few bucks and you can get a dv888. > **[YYF DV888](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/yyf-dv888-yoyo)** > > The DV888 is YoYoFactory's flagship entry-level yo-yo for those players who want something a little sturdier than plastic. This full metal model is based off the popular DV8 yo-yo by Buzzon Industries that, due to patent issues, was never officially... Or get a protostar. > **[YoYoFactory](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/yoyofactory)** > > YoYoFactory was born in 2004 with a focus on functional technology to improve the playing experience. This has been a goal of the company which relies on the experience gathered from over 30 years of demonstrating yoyos around the planet. The end... Or a speeder. [http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/20/YYJ-Speeder](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/20/YYJ-Speeder) Dark Magic > **[YYJ Dark Magic II](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/yyj-dark-magic-ii-yoyo)** > > We feel the Dark Magic is hands down one of the best intermediate to advanced yo-yos on the market. With its wide metal aluminum rings, extra weight, and extra width it is the perfect yo-yo for learning string tricks that require a stable and long... ---
**Author:** ![ApocalypticYo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@ApocalypticYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ApocalypticYo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/3 "2010-06-23T18:24:11Z")
He can’t even bind yet. I’d reccomend something like a Kickside, Speedmaker, or Lyn Fury. They’re all made by YYJ. Another one that would be really good is a YYF Velocity. You can play it responsive and unresponsive. ---
**Author:** ![lleraH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@lleraH](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/lleraH)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/4 "2010-06-23T19:27:55Z")
I couldn’t bind till I got my DM. He can learn. ---
**Author:** ![XaGoNiX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e9a140/32.png) [@XaGoNiX](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/XaGoNiX)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/5 "2010-06-23T20:22:56Z")
> [@ApocalypticYo](#): > > He can’t even bind yet. > I’d reccomend something like a Kickside, Speedmaker, or Lyn Fury. They’re all made by YYJ. Another one that would be really good is a YYF Velocity. You can play it responsive and unresponsive. I think it’s important to learn how to bind early on an unresponsive yo-yo because it’ll benefit you later in your yo-yoing career. Binding nowadays is a pretty essential skill to learn. Therefore, I would suggest the ProtoStar, PGM, Atmosphere, or DM. ---
**Author:** ![ApocalypticYo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@ApocalypticYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ApocalypticYo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/6 "2010-06-23T20:38:58Z")
He can learn to bind on a velocity or a YYJ metal rimmed plastic. I don’t think he should get something like a Dv888 or Protostar b/c those are completely unresponsive. p.s. I learned binding on my DM too. ---
**Author:** ![lleraH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@lleraH](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/lleraH)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/7 "2010-06-23T21:05:58Z")
Might as well go with the big guns instead of spending more money on little ones. ---
**Author:** ![bobnintendo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@bobnintendo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bobnintendo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/8 "2010-06-23T21:13:16Z")
I don’t think I’m going to buy one of those that IleraH posted. Not because I don’t want to learn how to bind, but because I don’t want to spend too much. I like the Kickside and the Lyn Fury though but I can’t decide. They seem to be very similar (not only in their price), which would you recommend and why? ---
**Author:** ![ApocalypticYo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@ApocalypticYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ApocalypticYo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/9 "2010-06-23T21:22:52Z")
It’s up to you and what you think you’ll like better. The Kickside is a little bit bigger and heavier with hybrid response. A lot of people dislike hybrid response because it tends to be noisy and snaggy. The Lyn Fury has a double O ring response. Both yoyos can be made unresponsive with a little modding. ---
**Author:** ![lleraH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@lleraH](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/lleraH)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/10 "2010-06-23T21:38:57Z")
Get a legacy. Mine just came in the mail today and oh my goodness, it plays so well. The silicone response is great compared the the hybrid response of the DM. And for only $20+, you can’t go wrong with the price. ---
**Author:** ![bobnintendo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@bobnintendo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bobnintendo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/11 "2010-06-24T15:09:24Z")
> [@ApocalypticYo](#): > > It’s up to you and what you think you’ll like better. > > The Kickside is a little bit bigger and heavier with hybrid response. A lot of people dislike hybrid response because it tends to be noisy and snaggy. > > The Lyn Fury has a double O ring response. > > Both yoyos can be made unresponsive with a little modding. So the kickside has such a starburst thingy like the F.A.S.T. 201? I din not like that, But what about the Lyn Fury? How is it in comparison to the Legacy? The Legacy seems to be like the poor-man’s-dark magic, but the Lyn Fury seems to be the poor-man’s-Hitman. Also, the Legacy is unresponsive so I need to learn how to bind right? But what does that mean anyways, I mean if a yoyo is so unresponsive I can’t make it return back to my hand, how do I do stuff like Sidewinder? Also I think isn’t it a little stupid to play with a yoyo that you can’t just bring back to you normally? And when you are done with a trick, you always have to do a trapeze to bind it? But how do you do a trapeze when the yoyo is not in your hand. Sorry if I’m asking stupid questions but I’d like to have a good yoyo like the Legacy but all this unresponsive and binding stuff is so confusing ---
**Author:** ![tourqe\_yo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3ab097/32.png) [@tourqe\_yo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/tourqe_yo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/12 "2010-06-24T15:17:41Z")
My suggestion is a legacy. It is great for learning unresponsive play and is also capable of more difficult tricks. also, your questions about unresponsive play are very valid. As you get more advanced you will find more stylish ways to bind that do not require a trapeeze, and also tricks that flow into binds. ---
**Author:** ![lleraH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@lleraH](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/lleraH)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/13 "2010-06-24T16:02:41Z")
Check out the trick tip video about binds on the learn section. Trust us, it’s worth it. And the legacy is your gateway to unresponsive play! ---
**Author:** ![bobnintendo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@bobnintendo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bobnintendo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/14 "2010-06-25T13:54:50Z")
I guess I’ll buy the Legacy then, I have to learn how to bind at some point anyway. Also, is the Legacy viable for Counterweight playing? (In case I want to try that somewhen in the far, far, future :D) ---
**Author:** ![XaGoNiX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e9a140/32.png) [@XaGoNiX](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/XaGoNiX)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/15 "2010-06-25T14:09:09Z")
> [@bobnintendo](#): > > I guess I’ll buy the Legacy then, I have to learn how to bind at some point anyway. > > Also, is the Legacy viable for Counterweight playing? (In case I want to try that somewhen in the far, far, future :D) Any decent 1A yo-yo is good for 5A. Just try not to use those expensive metals when you first start 5A. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![x52](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/3bc359/32.png) [@x52](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/x52)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/16 "2010-06-25T14:43:35Z")
Yeah, I do 5A on my PGMv2. The Legacy is good at 5A, yes. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![Yo\_Yo\_Ma\_X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yo_yo_ma_x/32/187_2.png) [@Yo\_Yo\_Ma\_X](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yo_Yo_Ma_X)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/intermediate-buttefly-yoyo-for-string-tricks/15891/17 "2010-06-25T18:28:52Z")
wait, you can learn to play unresponsive on a lyn furry. if you silicone it, i think it is better than the legacy. but my overall best bet for you would be the velocity. it can be both responsive and unresponsive with the turn of the switch. it is a great yoyo.