# ILYY | 20 years!
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359
**Category:** Manufacturer Official News
**Created:** [January 26, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359 "2020-01-26T19:34:42Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 10
### Author:  [@aszyd](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/aszyd)
#### Post date: [February 9, 2024, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/215 "2024-02-09T22:58:01Z")
Just saw this on Instagram. Excited!
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### Author:  [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)
#### Post date: [February 14, 2024, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/216 "2024-02-14T13:43:41Z")
> [@What did you get in the mail, 2024?](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-did-you-get-in-the-mail-2024/391106/624):
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> The most Amazing thing happened. I had a package coming from Germany in August. It just kind of vanished. September October, November, December, January now it’s February The package was located at the proxy shipping/Receiving station. It came in the mail today… February 13Th. Approximately six months after it was sent. The package looks slapped around, be a little bit like a drum, Torn open. Haphazardly tape shut and came looking like a melted snowcone made out of cardboard and packaging …
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### Author:  [@crackout](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/crackout)
#### Post date: [February 29, 2024, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/217 "2024-02-29T08:35:15Z")
At ILYY, we do not necessarily follow the path of ever improving performance. Instead, our goal has always been to explore niches we haven’t touched before, regardless of performance. This led us to create yoyos like the [Krapfen](https://ilyy.de/yoyos/krapfen) or the [PYBIT](https://ilyy.de/yoyos/pybit), both by no means competition-oriented designs. Some of these considerations even became our standard at ILYY like the 4 mm gap width.
Keeping true to this design philosophy of seeking untouched ground regardless of the outcome, there is one design niche we have not covered: a modern competition yoyo
Being a competition-oriented design, it should reside above all other ILYYs in terms of raw capability, the usual limits and ideas left far behind, a true testament to power, stability and maneuverability.
This is the Numen.
All bi-metal ILYYs to this point featured an inner ring keeping the outer appearance of the yoyo undisturbed. While offering very slick and pleasing aesthetics, this is a compromise in terms of rim weight capabilities, as the ring cannot be placed in the outermost region of the body. The Numen’s performance-oriented concept clearly needed outer rings to benefit the most from the bi-metal construction.
In order to stay true to our slick and understatement design philosophy we gave the intersection area small radii to comfort the profile lines to a haptically and optically pleasing conjunction. Furthermore, we went with blasted and electroplated rings to take on the matte aesthetics of the blasted 7068 aluminum body resulting in a beautiful laid-back overall look.
On the inside, Numen also features a carefully designed transition between ring and cup. Aluminum and steel meet in the same beautiful way as on the outer profile rounding off the harmony-driven design concept.
7068 aluminum alloy allows for very thin material thickness down to (or even below) one millimeter. However, the Numen does not go that route. We purposely left the cup walls well beyond this thickness to further strengthen the overall construction and make the Numen more resistant to drops and undesired hits. The massive rims still provide a lot of inertia and give the Numen its immense power and stability.
Aside from the crazy [PYBIT](https://ilyy.de/yoyos/pybit), Numen is our widest yoyo to date. It offers the widest catch-zone of all ILYYs. Its concave gap profile is derived from the [Golden Abyss](https://ilyy.de/yoyos/golden-abyss) and expanded even more to enable fingergrinds like never before. Hitting even the most daring tricks is made possible thanks to the forgiving shape. The rims flatten out to allow for a nice hand feel.
Most of our line-up featured a 4 millimeter gap. We consider this gap width enough for most tricks and situations. This gap width also allows for snappy and tight binds of the entire lifetime of the response pads.
For the Numen we increased to gap to 4.5 millimeters for maximum string layer capability. The Numen’s flush pad design retains tight binds and overall reliable response of smaller gap width yoyos.
The Numen features shorter bearing seats to allow for tool-less bearing swaps and maintenance. This yoyo is supposed to be played, bearing maintenance should not take away more time than necessary from play. Numen will not require any tools or pliers to access the bearing.
With the Abyss line we delved into the word of fingerspin yoyos using concave cup design. Even though perfect centering is possible with this construction it comes with a few drawbacks. Concave cup designs do not force the finger into the cup center, only really steep shapes may do so which come with other compromises in terms of mass placement. In addition (depending on the center of the cup) concave profiles are less stable to disturbances while fingerspinning.
The Numen solves theses drawbacks by introducing a convex cup design that mimics the concave outer profile. This pushes the finger right into the center area and keeps it there all the time. This strong push to the center allows the Numen to have a more traditional central hub without any dimples, anti-cones etc. Perfect centering is simply not needed with the Numen thanks to its convex inner cup design.
To further increase stability during fingerspins, the central cup features a small step as the transition from the concave profile to the center. These features make the Numen the best fingerspinning yoyo we ever made. Hitting the cup will ensure fingerspins no matter what. The traditional central cup design allows the Numen to use longer axles resulting in longer threads improving their durability. In combination with the shorter seats, risk of stripped threads is reduced to a minimum.
The Numen is without a doubt the best yoyo we ever made. It does everything any ILYY can but it does it a lot better. Longest spins, highest stability, widest catch-zone, best fingerspins, strongest (finger)grinds, easiest maintenance. If you want ‘maximum everything’ from ILYY, the Numen is for you.
**Specs:**
Diameter: 56 mm
Width: 47 mm
Gap: 4.5 mm
Weight: 65.5 g
Bearing: C-Size
Response: 19 mm pad
Alloy: AL 7068-T6 cup & SS ring
Limitation: 42
Price: 120€
If you want one, let me know via PM! 🌈
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### Author:  [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)
#### Post date: [February 29, 2024, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/218 "2024-02-29T08:57:41Z")
This looks like an excellent yoyo @crackout . So clean and a sharp design (no pun intended).
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### Author:  [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)
#### Post date: [February 29, 2024, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/219 "2024-02-29T10:56:28Z")
Heya Dominik…… can you tell me a thing or two about this new yo-yo?
Maybe a little background information or tidbits of insight or inspiration?
Your brief dialogue has left me intrigued.
Just curious….:wink:🤡:+1:
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### Author:  [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)
#### Post date: [February 29, 2024, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/220 "2024-02-29T11:05:35Z")
Dominik….
It looks Amazing…. And I read every word of your story.
Very dynamic presentation. Very entertaining to follow the adventure leading to this Masterpiece.
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### Author:  [@LX\_Emergency](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LX_Emergency)
#### Post date: [February 29, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/221 "2024-02-29T19:19:27Z")
Now THAT is a sales pitch
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### Author:  [@LX\_Emergency](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LX_Emergency)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/222 "2024-03-01T21:46:01Z")
Just paid for one… very excited about giving it a whirl when it arrives.
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### Author:  [@LX\_Emergency](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LX_Emergency)
#### Post date: [March 5, 2024, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/223 "2024-03-05T12:18:23Z")
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oh my… this is… something else
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### Author:  [@Mep](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mep)
#### Post date: [March 5, 2024, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/224 "2024-03-05T12:31:31Z")
Pray tell. How does it play?
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### Author:  [@LX\_Emergency](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LX_Emergency)
#### Post date: [March 5, 2024, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/225 "2024-03-05T12:36:14Z")
I’m actually really impressed. It’s fast stable and smooth. I was expecting it to be all talk when the fingerspin was mentioned on the write up. But not a word is lied. This thing fingerspins as well as some dimpled yoyos.
The finish is VERY smooth and there the occasional \*ping \* sound while playing.
I’m really impressed. This is my first ILYY… but I’ll be following their stuff closely now.
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### Author:  [@Mep](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mep)
#### Post date: [March 5, 2024, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/226 "2024-03-05T12:40:38Z")
I don’t have a lot of experience with this shape, but it looks like it would play with less emphasis on speed and more on stability.
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### Author:  [@LX\_Emergency](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LX_Emergency)
#### Post date: [March 5, 2024, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/227 "2024-03-05T12:43:16Z")
It feels fairly fast to me but yeah. Very stable
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### Author:  [@crackout](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/crackout)
#### Post date: [June 4, 2024, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/229 "2024-06-04T07:16:54Z")
Hi Kaede,
yes, these are made in China.
Manufacturing in Germany is not feasible anymore due to immense cost and unreasonable MOQs. You can see what happens, if cost is passed on with [hspins latest release](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hspin-is-back/391477) (Swiss Made).
Regarding CandyBlast, we cannot offer this finish anymore since the shop that did it closed down years ago, taking their IP with them.
OEM businesses responsible for the entire finished product are also much safer to deal with for small businesses like ILYY. If an anodizer ruins a batch of hundred yoyos that were machined somewhere else without having any responsibility for the performance of the product, it may kill off our business very easily.
If you wish to know the manufacturing details for a specific yoyo, let me know.
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### Author:  [@crackout](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/crackout)
#### Post date: [June 30, 2024, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/230 "2024-06-30T10:56:21Z")
So Nile will drop a new album in August. Hmm… 🧐
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### Author:  [@crackout](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/crackout)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2024, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/231 "2024-10-05T15:05:36Z")
In the beginning of this year I thought about what I liked in a yoyo, looking back at all the previous designs we made and others yoyos from my personal collection.
At first I thought this was pretty difficult to boil down to a specific design given all the great yoyos out there, but I settled on a pretty clear picture how the yoyo should look and feel like.
I’ve always loved the compact feel of slightly undersized yoyos, paired with reduced weight. However, most of my yoyos that fit this category have a pretty narrow catchzone or are narrow in general. The new yoyo should compensate this with a more modern width. While larger monometal yoyos (56mm+) offer substantial MMOI, smaller undersized yoyos lack inertia and thus desirable stability. This meant the yoyo had to have a bimetal contruction, giving it enough rimweight to perform like a fullsize competition yoyo. There is something inherently amazing about yoyos that have higher RPM but still great stability and spintime. I knew I wanted the new yoyo to feel exactly like that. Next up was the mission to have a “can do it all” yoyo that does everything I want to mess around with. Long combos, horizontals, fingerspins, grinds, finger grinds, thumbgrinds, rejections, complicated tech. The design had to allow for all of these tricks.
So all in all I wanted to create the ultimate fun yoyo that can do all these tricks, have great stability and spintime while at the same time feel agile and snappy with enough RPM to make you forget about kickback. And while thinking I would never make such a design happen, the α emerged and crushed my doubts. It is everything I could have hoped for. It is amazing.
Diameter: 53 mm
Width: 45 mm
Weight: 63.5 g
Gap: 4.5 mm
The α is a quick and snappy powerhouse without kickback but with a massive gap for any kind of complex tech, a wide catchzone for horizontals, blasted surfaces, IRGs, and concave profile for amazing grinds, a stepped profile for great rejection launches and the tried and proven amazing inner cup for top tier fingerspins.
Release will be this fall. :heart:
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### Author:  [@Yoyomikie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yoyomikie)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2024, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/232 "2024-10-05T17:00:10Z")
Looks fire
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### Author:  [@Abyss](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Abyss)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/233 "2024-10-05T17:30:28Z")
literally.
interesting choice for color
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### Author:  [@JEA86](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JEA86)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2024, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/234 "2024-10-05T17:45:23Z")
Absolutely stunning design and choice of color. Great job as always
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### Author:  [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2024, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ilyy-20-years/314359/235 "2024-10-05T17:56:49Z")
Well, Dom, I already know what I have to do.
Because of all the ‘Dreamy’ things you’ve stated about this New YoYo, I’m going to buy several of them, just to see how consistent your Quality Control is?
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