# I'd love to see a special edition SB2 Deep state **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [May 13, 2019, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263 "2019-05-13T05:40:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sinister\_Yoyos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sinister_yoyos/32/114006_2.png) [@Sinister\_Yoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sinister_Yoyos)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2020, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/21 "2020-03-15T21:24:50Z")
I second that. The smaller bearing responsives just play better. ---
**Author:** ![d34dj3d](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/d34dj3d/32/105169_2.png) [@d34dj3d](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/d34dj3d)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2020, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/22 "2020-03-15T21:26:50Z")
Some day I’m going to have to pry a SB Daytona out of somebody’s cold dead hands, or buy one, whichever comes first. ---
**Author:** ![eternalmetal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eternalmetal/32/44877_2.png) [@eternalmetal](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/eternalmetal)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2020, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/23 "2020-03-15T21:31:24Z")
Smaller gap width means better response. A heavily lubed bearing as close to normal fixie width as possible allows for longer spin times (than fixies), but also has snappy response. ---
**Author:** ![middnght](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/middnght/32/663400_2.png) [@middnght](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/middnght)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2020, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/24 "2020-03-16T01:48:50Z")
SB Daytona is :100: worth whatever you need to do to get one. I love mine so much. It’s the most expensive YoYo I own and $300 is so much but I’m happy every time I play with it. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2020, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/25 "2020-03-16T01:57:42Z")
> [@eternalmetal](#): > > Smaller gap width means better response. A heavily lubed bearing as close to normal fixie width as possible allows for longer spin times (than fixies), but also has snappy response. Having made some slimline bearings myself, I’m quite aware of this. I think though that and A bearing being better for responsive play is more of an illusion. I wouldn’t want to go larger than a C bearing due to the possibility with it interrupting stall stability, but it’s about tuning gap and response the the bearing kind. I’ve made a few bearing POM slimline that use slim C bearings that responsed and played well. ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2020, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/26 "2020-03-16T02:08:11Z")
Larger bearings naturally have more kickback which results in up-loops on regens not to mention the slightly augmented “pause” at the end of the string before responding. Can be mitigated w lube, but that doesn’t last. If you try to cancel the effect with a super thin gap it gets overly shaggy. Definitely not an illusion. Small bearings and low rim (and overall) weight are 100% ideal for modern responsive bearing play imo. (I say this despite the Flying V - maybe the 1st modern responsive metal? - being my sig model) That said, Deep State is its own thing and super fun. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2020, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/27 "2020-03-16T02:12:55Z")
> [@edhaponik](#): > > Larger bearings naturally have more kickback which results in up-loops on regens not to mention the slightly augmented “pause” at the end of the string before responding I don’t think that’s true. Smaller bearings have more kickback. It’s also true of fixed axles. The smaller the axle diameter, the greater the kickback (as long as the gap remains the same on both). ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2020, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/28 "2020-03-16T02:34:19Z")
You’re right I used the wrong word. Loop-ups is what I was referring to. With a wide gap and small diam you get kickback and down loops. C bearings often give the opposite effect on responsive throws which is, to me, just as irritating. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2020, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/29 "2020-03-16T02:39:55Z")
I would argue that the up-looping effect of C bearings causes less interference with STM tricks than with an A bearing though. I had to virtually relearn them with my 650b. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2020, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/30 "2020-03-16T02:48:44Z")
> [@edhaponik](#): > > not to mention the slightly augmented “pause” at the end of the string before responding. Can be mitigated w lube, but that doesn’t last. Interesting that you say that, I have very augmented pauses at the end of the string with my 650b. I tried absolutely cramming the bearing with thick lube, but it only helped slightly. ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2020, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/31 "2020-03-16T02:56:58Z")
I’ve posted a few tricks of me getting it to work ok. Small bearing & pad response works better for me but to each their own. [https://youtu.be/-com4pCpvxs](https://youtu.be/-com4pCpvxs) ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/32 "2020-03-16T23:05:03Z")
> [@edhaponik](#): > > Small bearing & pad response works better for me but to each their own. I kinda feel making the response pads bigger would mitigate _some_ of this effect, even if you kept the slim C bearing … but I am unaware of any slim C bearing modern responsives with giant silicone response pads? :thinking: ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2020, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/33 "2020-03-16T23:09:18Z")
The issue there is no one has made pads with that outer diameter. It’d be a very specific thing to make since regular diameter silicone pads are great for most C’s and large ones like that would necessitate a seriously high wall around the bearing. ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/34 "2020-03-17T00:01:42Z")
The Moonshine V1 and The Gamer use Snowtires or 21mm response. ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/35 "2020-03-17T00:05:45Z")
And I would DEFINITELY say that in both those cases there is not a consistent level of response, esp for the weight. Fun to play with but not ideal for modern responsive tricks. The Moonshine V2 made a world of difference. ---
**Author:** ![kretzschmar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kretzschmar/32/668707_2.png) [@kretzschmar](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kretzschmar)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/36 "2021-12-28T13:00:38Z")
Wow, you basically got them to make the Deeper State! I have one on the way, very excited ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263/37 "2021-12-28T19:14:41Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > Deeper State? _How awesome would that name be?!_ Well I’ll be darned!! All kudos to @da5id and @The_Machinist … indeed there was a sequel and it is amazing! [https://onedropyoyos.com/yoyos/deeper-state/](https://onedropyoyos.com/yoyos/deeper-state/) [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/id-love-to-see-a-special-edition-sb2-deep-state/302263.md?page=1)