# I guess this needs to be discussed. PAYPAL FEES **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [August 1, 2020, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146 "2020-08-01T02:38:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Pinktweetybird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Pinktweetybird](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pinktweetybird)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/1 "2020-08-01T02:38:48Z")
If you are selling a yoyo and you supply your PayPal email for payment. Are you as the seller expected to pay the PayPal fees for Goods and Services such as PayPal is set up? OR If I am selling a yoyo and I ask for say $100 shipped, should this imply that the buyer should send $100 + fees so I receive the full $100 shipped that I asked for? I ask because I just had a very unfortunate DM conversation trying to buy a yoyo. The seller was rude which is fine, I’m the Internet Sales Manager at a car dealership so I’m more than used to this. It blows bc I want the yoyo but I can’t buy from someone I don’t respect. BUT I am open to all viewpoints and I feel with this situation I now needed to bring this up. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorRod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/doctorrod/32/55484_2.png) [@DoctorRod](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DoctorRod)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/2 "2020-08-01T02:48:10Z")
$100 shipped is $100 flat, with shipping and fees included, in my opinion. Unless the seller states otherwise in the post (add $3 for shipping or PayPal fees). It’s always good to work things out before you send the money and they let you know what you payed wasn’t agreed upon on their end. Also just a PSA. Always use G&S through PayPal it gives both parties insurance incase something happens. ---
**Author:** ![Pinktweetybird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Pinktweetybird](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pinktweetybird)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/3 "2020-08-01T02:52:32Z")
This was my exact stance but I just recently got back into this scene and thought maybe the BST standards have changed ---
**Author:** ![jeremy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jeremy/32/90550_2.png) [@jeremy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jeremy)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 3:03am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/4 "2020-08-01T03:03:50Z")
Asking for or charging a buyer PayPal fees is a direct violation of the PayPal user agreement. > No surcharges > > You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. [PayPal User Agreement](https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#top) Same goes for asking for payment for goods to be sent as a Friends & Family transaction. If they have a PayPal account, they’ve agreed to those terms and are running the risk of getting their account closed and any money in it frozen. ---
**Author:** ![griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/griffin/32/97968_2.png) [@griffin](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/griffin)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 3:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/5 "2020-08-01T03:04:37Z")
I don’t make the rules around here but here’s my two cents: I 100% stand for G&S, it makes total sense when dealing with someone you’re not familiar with. However, I believe G&S is an add on, an extra almost. It’s not assumed to pay with f and f but YOU the seller are the one paying for protection when using G&S. As a seller I expect to receive the price listed for my throw. If it’s 100 shipped and you’re paying G&S, I find it hard to believe the seller expects $96 and what not cents for a throw listed at $100. Just my thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![Pinktweetybird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Pinktweetybird](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pinktweetybird)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 3:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/6 "2020-08-01T03:09:13Z")
If I give a PayPal contact for payment then I have to assume it’s either G&S or F&F. You can’t assume its neither. IF I were to be selling a throw then I am 100% going to assume the $96 instead of $100 unless I state in the listing that “fees are covered by buyer” because I HAVE to assume the buyer is going to choose G&S since (in most cases) I am not friends or family with the buyer and G&S protects both parties and is the suggested method via PayPal (which again is the payment platform I chose to use) ---
**Author:** ![Pinktweetybird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Pinktweetybird](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pinktweetybird)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/7 "2020-08-01T03:10:46Z")
also G&S provides seller protection as well. It’s not only beneficial to the buyer. ---
**Author:** ![griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/griffin/32/97968_2.png) [@griffin](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/griffin)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/8 "2020-08-01T03:14:34Z")
Yeah man I feel ya. Like I said I use G&S 95% of the time and I stand for it. But I cover fees because I want to make sure they get the requested price despite my decision on how I pay. ---
**Author:** ![CPC](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/cpc/32/95092_2.png) [@CPC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/CPC)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/9 "2020-08-01T03:28:24Z")
I’ve had all 3 scenarios happen here: 1. Buyer bought using f&f 2. Buyer chose g&s and I ate the fee 3. Buyer chose g&s and added the fee into the payment All three happened when I gave the buyer my PayPal. Usually with no discussion of which of the three will happen. Just pointing out that I have not seen a true standard but I try to work with the buyer. But I do understand how more communication as to what to expect is appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Pinktweetybird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Pinktweetybird](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pinktweetybird)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 3:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/10 "2020-08-01T03:30:52Z")
I can appreciate this. ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/11 "2020-08-01T03:44:00Z")
Paging @fatguysnacks247, clean up in aisle 3 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Grunt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/grunt/32/679117_2.png) [@Grunt](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Grunt)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 3:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/12 "2020-08-01T03:49:43Z")
G&S provides protection for both the seller and buyer. Any seller should just include fees and shipping in the cost. There should never need to be a disclaimer that tells a potential buyer how cheap you are. I cannot understand why someone that has the means to buy an expensive toy or buy one and almost always sell it at a loss is so hung up on saving a couple bucks. Suck it up and pay for the transaction service you are utilizing. ---
**Author:** ![Damb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/damb/32/44045_2.png) [@Damb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Damb)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 4:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/13 "2020-08-01T04:08:24Z")
I always add 2.9% as a buyer I expect 2.9% added as a seller (I always inform the buyer before purchase my expectations) ---
**Author:** ![Pinktweetybird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Pinktweetybird](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pinktweetybird)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/14 "2020-08-01T04:33:17Z")
> [@jeremy](#): > > Asking for or charging a buyer PayPal fees is a direct violation of the PayPal user agreement. > > > No surcharges > > > > You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. > > [PayPal User Agreement](https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#top) I think asking for it ahead of time is one thing. But to expect it based on your personal preference alone or past transactions isn’t proper. ---
**Author:** ![twitch77](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/twitch77/32/60219_2.png) [@twitch77](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/twitch77)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/15 "2020-08-01T04:39:57Z")
> [@Pinktweetybird](#): > > If I am selling a yoyo and I ask for say $100 shipped, should this imply that the buyer should send $100 + fees so I receive the full $100 shipped that I asked for? IMHO if a seller asks for $100, they should expect to get $100 and nothing more. I think it’s up to the seller to set the price and to state if they want more for fees or not. ---
**Author:** ![TheThrowingGnome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/thethrowinggnome/32/14231_2.png) [@TheThrowingGnome](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheThrowingGnome)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/16 "2020-08-01T04:46:27Z")
As a seller I never expect anyone to add money to cover fees. As a buyer I always add money to cover fees. With this philosophy you’ll never be in the wrong. ---
**Author:** ![French](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/french/32/70748_2.png) [@French](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/French)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/17 "2020-08-01T11:24:51Z")
When I sell a yoyo, I want to make it easy for the buyer - the listing gives the price I want, and specifies goods and service, shipping included. I’m not to lazy or math challenged to be able to figure out the PayPal fee or shipping cost. I’m also of the mindset that if a seller posts “F&F or add the fee”, they don’t deserve my business. If they are too lazy to do some basic math, why should I expect they won’t be too lazy to pack the yoyo properly, or even go to the post office/drop it in the mail? G&S isn’t like state sales tax that gets added in at checkout. PayPal’s T&C calls out the purpose of F&F and G&S. If I’m buying or selling something, I’m using G&S. If you ask me to pay F&F, you actually aren’t my friend, and, likely not in danger of becoming my friend. ---
**Author:** ![stevejspins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@stevejspins](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stevejspins)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/18 "2020-08-01T13:33:38Z")
Plus there is a psychological edge to “out the door” cost for a buyer. Feels like nothing is “hidden.” ---
**Author:** ![yoyodoc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyodoc/32/48820_2.png) [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/19 "2020-08-01T13:43:10Z")
Ok… my turn\> > [@PayPal friends and family(again)](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/paypal-friends-and-family-again/310864): > > This has been mentioned like an ‘annual topic; I know. It I am just bringing it up again because I have noticed an ‘uptick’ in the suggested use in BST posts recently. We are obviously a community’. But that being said; most of the people on this forum are not friends. Most of us may be on friendly terms with one another. But we are not necessarily friends. Many guys know each other more by screen names than real names. And just as many have limited knowledge of the age of others or even wha… ---
**Author:** ![fatguysnacks247](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fatguysnacks247/32/81478_2.png) [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146/20 "2020-08-01T13:49:01Z")
i’ve discussed this so many times i wrote a blog article about it. now when people ask me about it, i just send them the link [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/i-guess-this-needs-to-be-discussed-paypal-fees/325146.md?page=2)