# How to fix vibe? Does the axle cause this? **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Mods and Maintenance\ **Created:** [April 12, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370 "2014-04-12T18:16:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![yoyostein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a9a28c/32.png) [@yoyostein](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyostein)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/1 "2014-04-12T18:16:58Z")
Best way to vix general vibe? New to this so any input appreciated. Would the axle cause this? Something else? Is there a step by step approach to diagnose the cause? THANKS in advance! ---
**Author:** ![yoyoboy224](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/f14d63/32.png) [@yoyoboy224](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyoboy224)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2014, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/2 "2014-04-12T18:31:23Z")
Sometimes you have a floating axel case, where you have to make sure the axel is even on both sides; sometimes its also the bearing or the response sticking out and rubbing against the string. But most of the time it’s just the threads and the way it was manufactured. Any way, What’s a vibe? :wink: ---
**Author:** ![yoyo\_yizzo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/9de053/32.png) [@yoyo\_yizzo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyo_yizzo)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/3 "2014-04-12T18:34:10Z")
Pfahaha ;D When the yo has a vibration ---
**Author:** ![jhb8426](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhb8426/32/631_2.png) [@jhb8426](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jhb8426)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2014, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/4 "2014-04-12T23:15:22Z")
Ummm, floating axles don’t cause vibe. ---
**Author:** ![yoyoboy224](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/f14d63/32.png) [@yoyoboy224](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyoboy224)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/5 "2014-04-13T00:14:33Z")
> [@jhb8426](#): > > Ummm, floating axles don’t cause vibe. When it’s not quite even on both sides it does, at least on my past experience. ---
**Author:** ![jhb8426](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhb8426/32/631_2.png) [@jhb8426](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jhb8426)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/6 "2014-04-13T01:28:38Z")
No way there’s enough mass offset to cause vibe which is due to an unbalanced yoyo. The axle may be bent or loose, in which case you may get vibe. A loose axle can be fixed w/teflon tape or loctite. A bent axle needs to be replaced. Also, since any possible mass offset is concentrated at the center of the yoyo, the most it might do is cause some precession, where the yoyo will rotate on the string. > **[Precession](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession)** > > Precession is a change in the orientation of the rotational axis of a rotating body. In an appropriate reference frame it can be defined as a change in the first Euler angle, whereas the third Euler angle defines the rotation itself. In other words, if the axis of rotation of a body is itself rotating about a second axis, that body is said to be precessing about the second axis. A motion in which the second Euler angle changes is called nutation. In physics, there are two types of precession: tor... ---
**Author:** ![Yoyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/41988e/32.png) [@Yoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yoyo)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/7 "2014-04-13T01:33:07Z")
> [@someone](#): > > When it’s not quite even on both sides it does, at least on my past experience. That could only cause your yoyo to lean over to the side with more of the axle. ---
**Author:** ![yoyoboy224](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/f14d63/32.png) [@yoyoboy224](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyoboy224)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/8 "2014-04-13T01:40:27Z")
Hmmm, well you’re probably right, but I’ve had really vibey yo-yos in the past, and tuning them with the axel perfectly straight in the center made them a lot smoother. ---
**Author:** ![Yoyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/41988e/32.png) [@Yoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yoyo)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/9 "2014-04-13T01:51:57Z")
> [@someone](#): > > Hmmm, well you’re probably right, but I’ve had really vibey yo-yos in the past, and tuning them with the axel perfectly straight in the center made them a lot smoother. That’s because it changes the orientation of the halves. ---
**Author:** ![jbritter3](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jbritter3/32/1265_2.png) [@jbritter3](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jbritter3)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/10 "2014-04-13T02:02:46Z")
It’s not about the mass it’s about the threads. Threads aren’t perfect so sometimes a half turn or whatever can slightly change the… Lost my train of thought u get the picture. ---
**Author:** ![Mofoya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mofoya/32/7946_2.png) [@Mofoya](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mofoya)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/11 "2014-04-13T02:04:52Z")
> [@Yoyo](#): > > That’s because it changes the orientation of the halves. It doesn’t change the orientation of the halves. Without side effects, the only way to do this is change the width of the gap with a wider or narrower bearing or shims something. There’s another thread GregP started about this… > **[Tuning metal unresponsive yoyos is a lie. Unless they have Side Effects!](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php/topic,72649.0.html)** > > Let me qualify the title: you cannot tune metal unresponsive yoyos by re-orienting the halves relative to one-another\*. \*unless they use Side Effects The theory I’ve always operated under is that the whole teflon tape technique allows you to shift... In a nutshell, imagine you drill a hole in the yoyo so that you can get an Allen wrench to the axel while the yoyo is together… You would be able to screw the axel in and out to any position without changing the orientation of the halves. ---
**Author:** ![Yoyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/41988e/32.png) [@Yoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yoyo)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 2:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/12 "2014-04-13T02:14:16Z")
If you screw one thread into one half and put the rest in the other half, the orientation would be different then a 50/50 split. This is because the side you spin rotates a different number of times. ---
**Author:** ![Mofoya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mofoya/32/7946_2.png) [@Mofoya](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mofoya)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/13 "2014-04-13T02:29:14Z")
> [@Yoyo](#): > > If you screw one thread into one half and put the rest in the other half, the orientation would be different then a 50/50 split. This is because the side you spin rotates a different number of times. The side you spin rotates a different amount, but the axle rotated the same amount different into the other half. They will meet up at the same orientation. Try first, reading the thread at the link I posted. Then, put a piece of tape lined up on each half of your yoyo. Then take it apart and give the axle a 1/2 turn and put it back together and observe the tape. ---
**Author:** ![qpwoei12](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/qpwoei12/32/396_2.png) [@qpwoei12](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/qpwoei12)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/14 "2014-04-13T16:56:27Z")
> [@Mofoya](#): > > The side you spin rotates a different amount, but the axle rotated the same amount different into the other half. They will meet up at the same orientation. > > Try first, reading the thread at the link I posted. Then, put a piece of tape lined up on each half of your yoyo. Then take it apart and give the axle a 1/2 turn and put it back together and observe the tape. This is correct. The only reason that a yoyo might be tuned because of teflon tape or loctite is because it fixes the imperfections of the axle. The orientation of halves will always remain the same, unless you use side effects ---
**Author:** ![jbritter3](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jbritter3/32/1265_2.png) [@jbritter3](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jbritter3)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/15 "2014-04-13T16:59:52Z")
> [@qpwoei12](#): > > This is correct. > The only reason that a yoyo might be tuned because of teflon tape or loctite is because it fixes the imperfections of the axle. The orientation of halves will always remain the same, unless you use side effects I don’t think the orientation is always the same if the threads aren’t perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Mofoya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mofoya/32/7946_2.png) [@Mofoya](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mofoya)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-to-fix-vibe-does-the-axle-cause-this/65370/16 "2014-04-13T17:37:36Z")
> [@jbritter3](#): > > I don’t think the orientation is always the same if the threads aren’t perfect. Yeah, stretching or twisting the axle by over tightening might to this. Or, any kind of thread damage by grabbing with pliers or cross-threading or whatever.