# how long are your IRGs? **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Tricks\ **Created:** [July 26, 2013, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073 "2013-07-26T01:04:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![grolk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/grolk/32/1398_2.png) [@grolk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/grolk)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/21 "2013-07-26T15:37:33Z")
To yoyo143, I use a Supernova, and the way I get it on my thumb is by throwing it slanted towards yourself. Helps a lot. ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/22 "2013-07-26T18:36:37Z")
> [@GregP](#): > > 15 seconds? Every time a grind thread comes along, I have swap out my “happy easygoing hat” for my “grumpy skeptic” hat. > > Anyone claiming a 10-15 second IRG had better cough up a video or I’m calling bull-puckey. It’s not just the friction, it’s the entire physics behind an IRG. It’s going to tilt out with that long of a grind! Gyroscopic effect will only keep it vertical for “so” long! What’s happening as it precesses? Are you transferring successfully for that long, or are you chasing it around in circles? > > I suddenly can’t help but wondering if I’ve had a rare moment of not recognizing a joke. :wink: > > As for popping up, some yoyos make it dead easy (Kyo DNS has an IRG a 4-year-old could pop up into!) and some are trickier (especially if they don’t have a lip for it). I’ll shoot a video of me doing a 10-15 second thumb grind with my Chief once I get back from vacation in 2 1/2 weeks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CaliBuddha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/calibuddha/32/156_2.png) [@CaliBuddha](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/CaliBuddha)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/23 "2013-07-26T18:40:35Z")
> [@andy569](#): > > > [@GregP](#): > > > > 15 seconds? Every time a grind thread comes along, I have swap out my “happy easygoing hat” for my “grumpy skeptic” hat. > > > > Anyone claiming a 10-15 second IRG had better cough up a video or I’m calling bull-puckey. It’s not just the friction, it’s the entire physics behind an IRG. It’s going to tilt out with that long of a grind! Gyroscopic effect will only keep it vertical for “so” long! What’s happening as it precesses? Are you transferring successfully for that long, or are you chasing it around in circles? > > > > I suddenly can’t help but wondering if I’ve had a rare moment of not recognizing a joke. :wink: > > > > As for popping up, some yoyos make it dead easy (Kyo DNS has an IRG a 4-year-old could pop up into!) and some are trickier (especially if they don’t have a lip for it). > > I’ll shoot a video of me doing a 10-15 second thumb grind with my Chief once I get back from vacation in 2 1/2 weeks 🙂 I’ve heard that before. Use your phone and make a video. We know you’ve got a smartphone. ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/24 "2013-07-26T18:42:18Z")
> [@andy569](#): > > > [@GregP](#): > > > > 15 seconds? Every time a grind thread comes along, I have swap out my “happy easygoing hat” for my “grumpy skeptic” hat. > > > > Anyone claiming a 10-15 second IRG had better cough up a video or I’m calling bull-puckey. It’s not just the friction, it’s the entire physics behind an IRG. It’s going to tilt out with that long of a grind! Gyroscopic effect will only keep it vertical for “so” long! What’s happening as it precesses? Are you transferring successfully for that long, or are you chasing it around in circles? > > > > I suddenly can’t help but wondering if I’ve had a rare moment of not recognizing a joke. :wink: > > > > As for popping up, some yoyos make it dead easy (Kyo DNS has an IRG a 4-year-old could pop up into!) and some are trickier (especially if they don’t have a lip for it). > > I’ll shoot a video of me doing a 10-15 second thumb grind with my Chief once I get back from vacation in 2 1/2 weeks 🙂 I’ll give you the 10 seconds on the outside. I was doing some IRGs in disbelief at this thread and I got to 6 seconds. I’m willing to believe a better player than me could really push it and get maybe 10 seconds. Even 10 seconds is hard to believe (my El Ranchero has a Terrapin bearing + is good at thumb grinds; my throw is strong. I only got 6 seconds) but I’d be willing to believe it could be possible. If you can do 15 seconds without any timelapse, though, I will not only eat my words, but I will have YYE send you a pack of string, your choice of brand. :wink: And I mean that in a good-spirited way. I’d be blown away by a 15-second grind, and I WANT you to pull it off! ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/25 "2013-07-26T19:03:16Z")
> [@GregP](#): > > > [@andy569](#): > > > > > [@GregP](#): > > > > > > 15 seconds? Every time a grind thread comes along, I have swap out my “happy easygoing hat” for my “grumpy skeptic” hat. > > > > > > Anyone claiming a 10-15 second IRG had better cough up a video or I’m calling bull-puckey. It’s not just the friction, it’s the entire physics behind an IRG. It’s going to tilt out with that long of a grind! Gyroscopic effect will only keep it vertical for “so” long! What’s happening as it precesses? Are you transferring successfully for that long, or are you chasing it around in circles? > > > > > > I suddenly can’t help but wondering if I’ve had a rare moment of not recognizing a joke. :wink: > > > > > > As for popping up, some yoyos make it dead easy (Kyo DNS has an IRG a 4-year-old could pop up into!) and some are trickier (especially if they don’t have a lip for it). > > > > I’ll shoot a video of me doing a 10-15 second thumb grind with my Chief once I get back from vacation in 2 1/2 weeks 🙂 > > I’ll give you the 10 seconds on the outside. I was doing some IRGs in disbelief at this thread and I got to 6 seconds. I’m willing to believe a better player than me could really push it and get maybe 10 seconds. Even 10 seconds is hard to believe (my El Ranchero has a Terrapin bearing + is good at thumb grinds; my throw is strong. I only got 6 seconds) but I’d be willing to believe it could be possible. > > If you can do 15 seconds without any timelapse, though, I will not only eat my words, but I will have YYE send you a pack of string, your choice of brand. :wink: And I mean that in a good-spirited way. I’d be blown away by a 15-second grind, and I WANT you to pull it off! I can get 10 seconds pretty much every time, 15 is gonna take a few takes but it can be done, I’ll shoot the vid once I’m back 😃 ---
**Author:** ![yoyo143](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyo143/32/1384_2.png) [@yoyo143](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyo143)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/26 "2013-07-26T19:07:53Z")
> [@andy569](#): > > > [@GregP](#): > > > > > [@andy569](#): > > > > > > > [@GregP](#): > > > > > > > > 15 seconds? Every time a grind thread comes along, I have swap out my “happy easygoing hat” for my “grumpy skeptic” hat. > > > > > > > > Anyone claiming a 10-15 second IRG had better cough up a video or I’m calling bull-puckey. It’s not just the friction, it’s the entire physics behind an IRG. It’s going to tilt out with that long of a grind! Gyroscopic effect will only keep it vertical for “so” long! What’s happening as it precesses? Are you transferring successfully for that long, or are you chasing it around in circles? > > > > > > > > I suddenly can’t help but wondering if I’ve had a rare moment of not recognizing a joke. :wink: > > > > > > > > As for popping up, some yoyos make it dead easy (Kyo DNS has an IRG a 4-year-old could pop up into!) and some are trickier (especially if they don’t have a lip for it). > > > > > > I’ll shoot a video of me doing a 10-15 second thumb grind with my Chief once I get back from vacation in 2 1/2 weeks 🙂 > > > > I’ll give you the 10 seconds on the outside. I was doing some IRGs in disbelief at this thread and I got to 6 seconds. I’m willing to believe a better player than me could really push it and get maybe 10 seconds. Even 10 seconds is hard to believe (my El Ranchero has a Terrapin bearing + is good at thumb grinds; my throw is strong. I only got 6 seconds) but I’d be willing to believe it could be possible. > > > > If you can do 15 seconds without any timelapse, though, I will not only eat my words, but I will have YYE send you a pack of string, your choice of brand. :wink: And I mean that in a good-spirited way. I’d be blown away by a 15-second grind, and I WANT you to pull it off! > > I can get 10 seconds pretty much every time, 15 is gonna take a few takes but it can be done, I’ll shoot the vid once I’m back 😃 Suuurreee you will :🙂 lol, I really want to see a 15 second IRG… ---
**Author:** ![Yoyo\_Kangaroo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e95f7d/32.png) [@Yoyo\_Kangaroo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yoyo_Kangaroo)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/27 "2013-07-26T19:14:15Z")
9 is the most I can do… ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/28 "2013-07-26T19:14:50Z")
ahhh I wish I gotz my Chief with me… All I got is a POLISHED Phenom and I can do a 5 second IRG with that if I take a cap off. But If I can do a 5 second IRG with a POLISHED yoyo that wasn’t made to thumb grind than maybe that’ll convince you guys that I can do a 15 second one with a Chief :wink: ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/29 "2013-07-26T19:16:33Z")
> [@andy569](#): > > ahhh I wish I gotz my Chief with me… All I got is a POLISHED Phenom and I can do a 5 second IRG with that if I take a cap off. But If I can do a 5 second IRG with a POLISHED yoyo that wasn’t made to thumb grind than maybe that’ll convince you guys that I can do a 15 second one with a Chief :wink: Only a video with a visible stopwatch/timer will convince me. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![grolk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/grolk/32/1398_2.png) [@grolk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/grolk)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/30 "2013-07-26T19:35:38Z")
Nothing will convince me :wink: Best grind i’ve seen is seven seconds for a finger grind in a video. ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/31 "2013-07-26T19:40:49Z")
There’s less friction for an IRG if you do it only with the fingernail and no flesh. So you could hit 10 seconds. 15 seconds would leave me in slack-jawed disbelief. ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/32 "2013-07-26T19:49:12Z")
> [@GregP](#): > > There’s less friction for an IRG if you do it only with the fingernail and no flesh. So you could hit 10 seconds. 15 seconds would leave me in slack-jawed disbelief. Isn’t that how you’re supposed to do it? That’s how I do it 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/33 "2013-07-26T19:55:35Z")
> [@andy569](#): > > > [@GregP](#): > > > > There’s less friction for an IRG if you do it only with the fingernail and no flesh. So you could hit 10 seconds. 15 seconds would leave me in slack-jawed disbelief. > > Isn’t that how you’re supposed to do it? That’s how I do it 😃 Yes, that’s how you’re supposed to do it; just saying that it’s not the same as a finger-grind, where there is more surface contact and friction because it’s a finger not a fingernail. IRGs should be longer than finger grinds. But not 15 seconds long, still. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/34 "2013-07-26T19:57:14Z")
> [@GregP](#): > > > [@andy569](#): > > > > > [@GregP](#): > > > > > > There’s less friction for an IRG if you do it only with the fingernail and no flesh. So you could hit 10 seconds. 15 seconds would leave me in slack-jawed disbelief. > > > > Isn’t that how you’re supposed to do it? That’s how I do it 😃 > > Yes, that’s how you’re supposed to do it; just saying that it’s not the same as a finger-grind, where there is more surface contact and friction because it’s a finger not a fingernail. > > IRGs should be longer than finger grinds. But not 15 seconds long, still. :wink: Your thumb grind is 6 seconds, that’s my finger grind :wink: ---
**Author:** ![grolk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/grolk/32/1398_2.png) [@grolk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/grolk)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/35 "2013-07-26T20:06:24Z")
I was just referring to grinds in general, Greg. I can’t even land a solid two seconds for a finger grind ;D ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/36 "2013-07-26T20:17:32Z")
> [@andy569](#): > > > [@GregP](#): > > > > > [@andy569](#): > > > > > > > [@GregP](#): > > > > > > > > There’s less friction for an IRG if you do it only with the fingernail and no flesh. So you could hit 10 seconds. 15 seconds would leave me in slack-jawed disbelief. > > > > > > Isn’t that how you’re supposed to do it? That’s how I do it 😃 > > > > Yes, that’s how you’re supposed to do it; just saying that it’s not the same as a finger-grind, where there is more surface contact and friction because it’s a finger not a fingernail. > > > > IRGs should be longer than finger grinds. But not 15 seconds long, still. :wink: > > Your thumb grind is 6 seconds, that’s my finger grind :wink: Thumb grinds aren’t about skill in the same way. Finger grinds you have to get into the right place, keep the yoyo balanced, etc. I suppose if I had a glove I might be able to get a longer finger grind. My finger grinds are about 4 seconds if I’m estimating. As often the case with grind threads, I think people underestimate how long a second really is. A stopwatch will tell the tale. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/37 "2013-07-26T20:19:53Z")
> [@GregP](#): > > > [@andy569](#): > > > > > [@GregP](#): > > > > > > > [@andy569](#): > > > > > > > > > [@GregP](#): > > > > > > > > > > There’s less friction for an IRG if you do it only with the fingernail and no flesh. So you could hit 10 seconds. 15 seconds would leave me in slack-jawed disbelief. > > > > > > > > Isn’t that how you’re supposed to do it? That’s how I do it 😃 > > > > > > Yes, that’s how you’re supposed to do it; just saying that it’s not the same as a finger-grind, where there is more surface contact and friction because it’s a finger not a fingernail. > > > > > > IRGs should be longer than finger grinds. But not 15 seconds long, still. :wink: > > > > Your thumb grind is 6 seconds, that’s my finger grind :wink: > > Thumb grinds aren’t about skill in the same way. Finger grinds you have to get into the right place, keep the yoyo balanced, etc. I suppose if I had a glove I might be able to get a longer finger grind. My finger grinds are about 4 seconds if I’m estimating. > > As often the case with grind threads, I think people underestimate how long a second really is. A stopwatch will tell the tale. :wink: I hop into the grind, then I look at my watch to see when I started and when it ends 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Casey888](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Casey888](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Casey888)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/38 "2013-07-26T20:24:16Z")
No no, I throw at a tilt. It’s less than 10 on a normal throw. ---
**Author:** ![Behemoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/behemoth/32/1291_2.png) [@Behemoth](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Behemoth)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/39 "2013-07-26T20:59:11Z")
> [@andy569](#): > > > [@GregP](#): > > > > > [@andy569](#): > > > > > > > [@GregP](#): > > > > > > > > > [@andy569](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@GregP](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > There’s less friction for an IRG if you do it only with the fingernail and no flesh. So you could hit 10 seconds. 15 seconds would leave me in slack-jawed disbelief. > > > > > > > > > > Isn’t that how you’re supposed to do it? That’s how I do it 😃 > > > > > > > > Yes, that’s how you’re supposed to do it; just saying that it’s not the same as a finger-grind, where there is more surface contact and friction because it’s a finger not a fingernail. > > > > > > > > IRGs should be longer than finger grinds. But not 15 seconds long, still. :wink: > > > > > > Your thumb grind is 6 seconds, that’s my finger grind :wink: > > > > Thumb grinds aren’t about skill in the same way. Finger grinds you have to get into the right place, keep the yoyo balanced, etc. I suppose if I had a glove I might be able to get a longer finger grind. My finger grinds are about 4 seconds if I’m estimating. > > > > As often the case with grind threads, I think people underestimate how long a second really is. A stopwatch will tell the tale. :wink: > > I hop into the grind, then I look at my watch to see when I started and when it ends 😛 You can reiterate all you want, but I (along with pretty much everyone else on this thread) am only going to believe it once I see this video. ---
**Author:** ![yoyoer8](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoer8/32/963_2.png) [@yoyoer8](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyoer8)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-long-are-your-irgs/57073/40 "2013-07-26T21:00:55Z")
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