# How come we don't see this shape much anymore? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [January 9, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249 "2019-01-09T20:21:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/1 "2019-01-09T20:21:37Z")
I guess this is an “O with wings”. OW shape? :thinking: ![TiWalker-04](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/2/2/2/222bda8640f2607a791498a40449c411a540e0f5.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![knowledgeablepixels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/knowledgeablepixels/32/38636_2.png) [@knowledgeablepixels](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/knowledgeablepixels)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/2 "2019-01-09T20:27:09Z")
this looks more like a v to me. ---
**Author:** ![MarkD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/markd/32/40845_2.png) [@MarkD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarkD)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/3 "2019-01-09T20:44:22Z")
I’ve seen that called step round, or O with a tiny bit of H thrown in. I think one of the reasons you see it less frequently now is because it’s a lot less forgiving to off-axis and sloppy play. So, that first section closer to the gap is going to have a response bump, or be straight, or even inverse-round to reduce string friction. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/5 "2019-01-09T22:08:34Z")
But isn’t that largely the case with all true organics? Organics seem to be in vogue lately, so those traits aren’t viewed as deficiencies so much right now. ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/6 "2019-01-09T22:12:42Z")
Three yo-yos in recent times have been on the market with this particular trait. One being the one drop mantis, the one drop Kraken, and the recently retired G2 Hawk. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/7 "2019-01-09T22:18:14Z")
Ah yes, the G2 Hawk! It has less pronounced separation from the “wing”, but it certainly does share aesthetic kinship with the TiWalker. However, to be honest, when I look at the profile of the Mantis, I don’t see the similarity. ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/8 "2019-01-09T22:20:49Z")
> [@zslane](#): > > when I look at the profile of the Mantis, I don’t see the similarity. Really? Not even _sort of_ similar? I personally don’t think it’s that much of a stretch. Sure, the Mantis has more of a V shape to it, but it’s the same general idea of the bumps on the rims. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/9 "2019-01-09T22:27:57Z")
I guess what I’m focusing on is the strong O profile in which the outer half is a rounded W-like wing. ---
**Author:** ![anon19434144](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ccd318/32.png) [@anon19434144](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon19434144)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/10 "2019-01-09T22:32:18Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/4/b/7/4b70745eeffc1519d6405aa7471d03ec43a305a7.gif) ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/11 "2019-01-09T23:14:01Z")
You saw this kind of weight ring bump a bunch on older yo-yos, e.g. the Genesis ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/9/6/196826a3274ae9fc5dbcd36eefe14d534d0a95d7.png) It’s kinda fallen out of favor and aesthetically speaking I have to say I don’t particularly care for it either. You can add weight on the “underside” of the rim, and that’s how most do it these days. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/12 "2019-01-09T23:16:06Z")
I think the shape looks _very_ inviting. Maybe I should be looking for a used Genesis? Or are those as rare and collector-pricey as TiWalkers? ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/13 "2019-01-09T23:16:27Z")
I frankly think it sucks (as a look, the Genesis is a fine yo-yo). But to each his own! In the end that weight bump on the outside is 100% an aesthetics / design choice. ---
**Author:** ![G2\_Jake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/g2_jake/32/446_2.png) [@G2\_Jake](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/G2_Jake)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/14 "2019-01-10T00:38:36Z")
See the Reaper V7 and production ---
**Author:** ![Dust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/dust/32/83340_2.png) [@Dust](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Dust)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/15 "2019-01-10T00:43:30Z")
If you are on the hunt for a Genesis, look for the Doomsday (7076) version. Its my favorite by far of this shape. One of my 4 desert island yoyos… ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/16 "2019-01-10T00:48:14Z")
The Reaper looks like a more refined take on the shape. Less bulbous (than the TiWalker) and with fine crease lines, like the Hawk, which strikes me as a modern aesthetic touch. I’ll have to keep an eye out for the Reaper. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/17 "2019-01-10T20:58:47Z")
Actually, the more images of the Genesis I examine, the more it’s shape looks like a Mowl M+ (of which I have two, yay!) to me. ---
**Author:** ![Cannon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/919ad9/32.png) [@Cannon](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Cannon)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/18 "2019-01-10T21:57:56Z")
![20190110_155645](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/c/1/e/c1e4987f07d44f56a197d003b714b24bf05cbe74.jpeg) Would you count this as an O with wings? ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/19 "2019-01-10T22:06:46Z")
I would count that as an O with _very_ rounded (and large) wings, yes. ---
**Author:** ![bobafret](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bobafret/32/260814_2.png) [@bobafret](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bobafret)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/20 "2019-01-11T01:18:40Z")
MFD Prime8 has that shape. I love it - it’s like the old SPYY Punchline - one of my faves of all time! ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/7/1/a/71ae4d932d48c89f6377539719e74e1288adb2d7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249/21 "2019-01-11T10:07:02Z")
> [@zslane](#): > > Maybe I should be looking for a used Genesis? I actually have a genesis here I could sell you for cheap, but it’s (from the factory, don’t blame me this time) a half-swapped red/blue with USA stars on one side. It is one of the newer ones without the axle hole though. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/how-come-we-dont-see-this-shape-much-anymore/297249.md?page=2)