# Horizontal Tricks??
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [September 7, 2014, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286 "2014-09-07T13:31:43Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@nightshadow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nightshadow)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2014, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/1 "2014-09-07T13:31:43Z")
So I figured that it is way past time that I started learning horizontal, but I am having some trouble. Any tips/suggestions??
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### Author:  [@Philip](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Philip)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2014, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/2 "2014-09-07T13:34:55Z")
Practice with a high walled yoyo. When you switch to a low walled yoyo, it’ll be really easy.
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### Author:  [@stuarttw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stuarttw)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2014, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/3 "2014-09-07T13:39:45Z")
> [@Philip](#):
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> Practice with a high walled yoyo. When you switch to a low walled yoyo, it’ll be really easy.
What kind of idea is that? With a high-walled yoyo you can’t practice horizontal. It might be easy for someone experienced, but when you’re just starting you’re not going to get anywhere. Use a low-walled yoyo.
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### Author:  [@nightshadow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nightshadow)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2014, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/4 "2014-09-07T13:40:44Z")
Well, I’m using a yoyo factory shutter. That’s pretty low walled…
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### Author:  [@kadabrium](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kadabrium)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2014, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/5 "2014-09-07T14:12:13Z")
Try a simple 1.5 mount combo instead of a NTH trapeze. Some people may find it easier to control the tilt with the TH than the NTH in the beginning.
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### Author:  [@EricBell](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EricBell)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2014, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/6 "2014-09-07T14:30:05Z")
Watch “Jensen Kimmitt - Basics of Sideways YoYoing” it’s a fantastic video, that’s where I’m learning from
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### Author:  [@Boosh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Boosh)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2014, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/7 "2014-09-08T04:25:41Z")
> [@Philip](#):
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> Practice with a high walled yoyo. When you switch to a low walled yoyo, it’ll be really easy.
what does high walked an low walled mean
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### Author:  [@yoyoboy224](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyoboy224)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2014, 4:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/8 "2014-09-08T04:31:45Z")
> [@Boosh](#):
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> what does high walked an low walled mean
Draupnir=low walled
888x=high walled
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### Author:  [@rizki\_yoist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rizki_yoist)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2014, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/9 "2014-09-08T08:48:56Z")
My old tutorial, hope it helps.
[www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEJvFWp\_5t0](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEJvFWp_5t0)
Contrary to popular beliefs, there is nothing wrong learning horizontal with a high walled yoyo… I did learned on a dark magic bootleg few years ago, and I’m glad I did because now I understand how plane control works (hence the above tutorial).
Sorry for the nerdy looks lol
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juqJhXfIhIY)
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### Author:  [@Raigo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Raigo)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2014, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/10 "2014-09-08T10:11:25Z")
> [@rizki\_yoist](#):
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> My old tutorial, hope it helps.
> [www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEJvFWp\_5t0](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEJvFWp_5t0)
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> Contrary to popular beliefs, there is nothing wrong learning horizontal with a high walled yoyo… I did learned on a dark magic bootleg few years ago, and I’m glad I did because now I understand how plane control works (hence the above tutorial).
> Sorry for the nerdy looks lol
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juqJhXfIhIY](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juqJhXfIhIY)
There’s nothing wrong with practicing yoyoing with a super worn out string,or going into a 1a contest with a Duncan butterfly, you’ll just have a hard time doing it.
But I will have to say, learning horizontals on a dark magic(1 or 2) isn’t a very smart idea.
Better to get something like a shutter instead, which is capable of horizontals way easier than any high wall yoyo
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### Author:  [@rizki\_yoist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rizki_yoist)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/11 "2014-09-08T12:52:21Z")
> [@Raigo](#):
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> There’s nothing wrong with practicing yoyoing with a super worn out string,or going into a 1a contest with a Duncan butterfly, you’ll just have a hard time doing it.
> But I will have to say, learning horizontals on a dark magic(1 or 2) isn’t a very smart idea.
> Better to get something like a shutter instead, which is capable of horizontals way easier than any high wall yoyo
Practicing yoyoing with worn out string have no real benefit.
My point is, with high walled yoyos you’re forced to focus on the “plane”, going off that will just kill the spin. Yoyos with low walls have a lot more tolerance to plane changing. While it’s easier to use, one may build up habits of doing things wrong… I mean since the yoyo tolerate your fault, you may end up keep doing something that will actually kill the spin if it’s a high walled yoyo, or simply practicing the wrong way. It may not be a problem today, but may hold you back in the future.
One analogy I can think of is with 2a, it’s advised to stop doing loops when you’re out of control then start from the beginning, instead of continuing the bad loops. That will prevent you from “practicing” the bad loops. I learned this the hard way, I kept doing it wrong the first year and have to unlearn and re-learn the proper loops (unlearning is in fact really difficult).
However in the end I could be wrong, learning the hard way (with high walled yoyo) worked for me, that may not be the case for everybody… High wall helps you learn control, low wall helps you focus on the actual trick.
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### Author:  [@stuarttw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stuarttw)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2014, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/12 "2014-09-08T15:37:17Z")
Look at it this way. If you only have an imperial, you’ll learn the basics really well, but you won’t learn any harder tricks. Same way with horizontals, except you can only learn a trapeze or so with a high walled yoyo. Thus you really will need to switch to a low walled yoyo quickly.
> [@rizki\_yoist](#):
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> Contrary to popular beliefs, there is nothing wrong learning horizontal with a high walled yoyo
That’s not a popular belief, the belief is that it is not a good idea to learn with a high walled yoyo. Look at me, I learned with a dark magic I, and it took me forever to get to my skill at horizontal (sorry if this sounds like bragging lol). I do agree however that a high walled yoyo will make a low walled yoyo seem like the greatest horizontal yoyo in the world.
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### Author:  [@kadabrium](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kadabrium)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2014, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/13 "2014-09-08T19:44:10Z")
I think ll make a video replicating the exact situation when i learned my first horizontal trick.
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### Author:  [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2014, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/14 "2014-09-08T20:25:33Z")
Don’t go all out horizontal at first, start with just a little tilt then work your way up
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### Author:  [@abby1371](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/abby1371)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2014, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/15 "2014-09-08T22:07:41Z")
I find this helps
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhX-IlHM_Ak)
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### Author:  [@nightshadow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nightshadow)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2014, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/16 "2014-09-08T22:09:26Z")
Thanks! That helps a lot.
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### Author:  [@nightshadow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nightshadow)
#### Post date: [March 18, 2023, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/17 "2023-03-18T05:52:24Z")
Ahh yes, the young me.
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### Author:  [@nightshadow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nightshadow)
#### Post date: [March 18, 2023, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/18 "2023-03-18T06:17:41Z")
It’s definitely been a minute! Excuse me while I indulge in a little nostalgia.
Here’s a fun juxtaposition.
Young me (around the time I made this thread) vs. older me:
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8UmS0abWiQ)
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### Author:  [@LX\_Emergency](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LX_Emergency)
#### Post date: [March 18, 2023, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/19 "2023-03-18T08:18:05Z")
Ha, i hadn’t seen the date of the original post…so I was about to post your tutorial for horizontal learning since I recently followed that for improving my own horizontal game.
But I’m guessing that might not add much for you right now. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Albertino](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Albertino)
#### Post date: [March 18, 2023, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/horizontal-tricks/69286/20 "2023-03-18T08:32:21Z")
I wanted to open a new thread but I just use this, there is any tutorial out there about hard combos in horizontal?
Also behind the back will be greatly appreciated, also stuff with slacks or arms combos, I need some inspiration please!
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