# Hells Angels vs. Yomega & Toys R Us **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [October 24, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409 "2012-10-24T14:58:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JuanHubero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/juanhubero/32/271_2.png) [@JuanHubero](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JuanHubero)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/1 "2012-10-24T14:58:44Z")
> **[Hells Angels Sue Toys 'R' Us, and It's All About Yo-Yos](https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/hells-angels-sue-toys-r-us-and-its-all-about-yo-yos-6644364)** > > The Hells Angels seem like the kind of guys who would be absolutely allergic to anyone wearing a suit -- unless their somewhat infamous lawyer Fritz Clapp wears a suit.Clapp and the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club have teamed up for the badass biker... > [@](#): > > The Hells Angels seem like the kind of guys who would be absolutely allergic to anyone wearing a suit – unless their somewhat infamous lawyer Fritz Clapp wears a suit. > > Clapp and the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club have teamed up for the badass biker move of the week, which involves filing a lawsuit against a yo-yo maker and Toys ‘R’ Us because they believe there’s a yo-yo being sold that uses a Hells Angels logo. > > According to Hells Angels lore, Cave Creek’s own Sonny Barger – who was first pissed off about people wearing fake Hells Angels patches – went to Clapp in the early 90s after he figured he couldn’t beat up corporations that infringed on their trademarks. > > Since then, they have sued a lot of corporations, and Yomega yo-yos and Toys ‘R’ Us are just the latest. > > In this case, the club accuses the companies of ripping off its “death head” logo, which is essentially a skull with wings. Sure enough, the Hells Angels have trademarks on several versions of the logo. > > The lawsuit claims the logo in question has a logo that’s “confusingly similar” to the “death head,” and says that neither company responded to cease-and-desist letters. > > According to an exhibit attached to the lawsuit, Yomega’s “Raider” yo-yo has a price tag of $14.99, at least at the Toys ‘R’ Us in Roseville, California. > > You can see the yo-yo and the Hells Angels’ trademarked logos that Clapp attached to the lawsuit below: > > [http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/yoyo-close.jpg](http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/yoyo-close.jpg) > > [http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/hamc-logos.jpg](http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/hamc-logos.jpg) This could get interesting. ---
**Author:** ![supbreh1234](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/supbreh1234/32/1131_2.png) [@supbreh1234](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/supbreh1234)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/2 "2012-10-24T15:03:18Z")
really now -\_- thats messed up hells angels! ---
**Author:** ![wcrase](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/wcrase/32/80_2.png) [@wcrase](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/wcrase)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/3 "2012-10-24T15:05:59Z")
They have a valid argument… ---
**Author:** ![JuanHubero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/juanhubero/32/271_2.png) [@JuanHubero](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JuanHubero)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/4 "2012-10-24T15:06:55Z")
> [@supbreh1234](#): > > really now -\_- thats messed up hells angels! How so? They do have a case here. The images Yomega used on their Raiders do look very similar to the Hells Angels’ death head logo. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/5 "2012-10-24T15:35:33Z")
> [@JuanHubero](#): > > > [@supbreh1234](#): > > > > really now -\_- thats messed up hells angels! > > How so? They do have a case here. The images Yomega used on their Raiders do look very similar to the Hells Angels’ death head logo. They are too similar. While I see a lot of differences, there’s far too much similarity. The lawsuit would have merit. Yomega should just change it to a Viking graphic or something. ---
**Author:** ![kuyaChristian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@kuyaChristian](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kuyaChristian)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/6 "2012-10-24T15:57:10Z")
How is that messed up? Hells Angels have a valid point. Though Yomega can defend that the designs have subtle differences, it’s the big picture that counts. I really don’t mind if Yomega changes the logo. I don’t like the new design anyway. Looks too hideous. They should have kept the old design. ---
**Author:** ![JuanHubero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/juanhubero/32/271_2.png) [@JuanHubero](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JuanHubero)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/7 "2012-10-24T16:06:23Z")
Has anyone been to Toys’R’Us recently? If so, are these Raiders still on the shelves? People would be smart to snatch them up while they can, because these will be worth $$$ in the future. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![fellavader](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fellavader/32/905_2.png) [@fellavader](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fellavader)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/8 "2012-10-24T16:15:49Z")
It sounds a little crazy to me. It’s like if the Celtic who have a copy right on their Leprechaun put out a law suit against Lucky charms because their Leprechaun was similar. ---
**Author:** ![patrickcondon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/patrickcondon/32/619950_2.png) [@patrickcondon](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/patrickcondon)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/9 "2012-10-24T16:25:13Z")
> [@fellavader](#): > > It sounds a little crazy to me. It’s like if the Celtic who have a copy right on their Leprechaun put out a law suit against Lucky charms because their Leprechaun was similar. Not in the slightest. Your example is too far fetched. The Hells Angels Death Head logo and the Raider graphic are incredibly similar. ---
**Author:** ![JuanHubero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/juanhubero/32/271_2.png) [@JuanHubero](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JuanHubero)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/10 "2012-10-24T16:31:07Z")
> [@fellavader](#): > > It sounds a little crazy to me. It’s like if the Celtic who have a copy right on their Leprechaun put out a law suit against Lucky charms because their Leprechaun was similar. If you have multiple trademarks for an image, as well as the money to cover the costs of protecting those trademarks, you would be crazy not to do so. That is all the Hells Angels are doing here. ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/11 "2012-10-24T16:47:57Z")
Totally agree with most who replied: this case not only has merit, but is a likely slam dunk for Hells Angels. What some people may not know is that you are actually obligated to protect your trademark if you want to preserve it. You need to be able to demonstrate a continued and active interest in protecting your trademarks or they can be lost. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/12 "2012-10-24T16:54:20Z")
> [@JuanHubero](#): > > Has anyone been to Toys’R’Us recently? If so, are these Raiders still on the shelves? People would be smart to snatch them up while they can, because these will be worth $$$ in the future. :wink: Valid point. If these are in stores, I might have to spend money just to snag a pair just to be “safe”. The bigger question will be do I unwrap them and keep them or keep them packaged and hope to sell them for a bit of profit later… Chances are they are gonna get ripped open and played right away. Oh well. On the other hand, I haven’t even touched the Loop 808’s I bought at Nationals. Still fresh in their boxes. ---
**Author:** ![frodoslair](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/frodoslair/32/833_2.png) [@frodoslair](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/frodoslair)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/13 "2012-10-24T17:50:47Z")
Still, it seems a little crazy that a biker gang has a lawsuit against a company selling toys to 10 year olds. Free marketing. ---
**Author:** ![JuanHubero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/juanhubero/32/271_2.png) [@JuanHubero](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JuanHubero)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/14 "2012-10-24T18:08:05Z")
> [@frodoslair](#): > > Still, it seems a little crazy that a biker gang has a lawsuit against a company selling toys to 10 year olds. Free marketing. So… Because a company sells toys to kids, that makes it okay for them to be involved with trademark infringement? ---
**Author:** ![Mikers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/958977/32.png) [@Mikers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mikers)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/15 "2012-10-24T18:16:36Z")
> [@frodoslair](#): > > Still, it seems a little crazy that a biker gang has a lawsuit against a company selling toys to 10 year olds. Free marketing. Yomega does plenty of reprehensible things, patent infringement is just their newest endeavor. ---
**Author:** ![Ghost8982](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ghost8982/32/675_2.png) [@Ghost8982](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Ghost8982)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/16 "2012-10-24T18:23:48Z")
Lmao…wow. Imma have to calls some old friends about this one. Blast from the past . GO HELLS! ---
**Author:** ![LinksLegionaire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/linkslegionaire/32/886_2.png) [@LinksLegionaire](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LinksLegionaire)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/17 "2012-10-24T18:32:11Z")
You can get them online. I thought about buying a pair to resell in the future after that design is discontinued, but I figured it wouldn’t fetch much more than retail. I mean they’re plastic loopers… ---
**Author:** ![JuanHubero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/juanhubero/32/271_2.png) [@JuanHubero](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JuanHubero)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/18 "2012-10-24T18:36:48Z")
Yeah, I saw that TRU still has them on their website\*. But the page also says that “colors/styles vary”, which means that you might not even get the ones in the product photos. Because of what is going on with the HAMC, they might not even be available anymore. (\*YYE doesn’t have this item in stock, so this isn’t a violation of forum guidelines as far as I can tell.) ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/19 "2012-10-24T19:34:27Z")
Toys R Us lists most of their yoyo offerings as “colors may vary”. I will be going down to the local one and buying a pair today. I see no point in keeping them mint in the package. I’m gonna crack them open, play them and photograph them today if I’m in the mood to do so. So far, Toys R Us hasn’t yanked them from shelves, at least best I can tell from various articles. It will be interesting to see how this goes down. Personally, the Hell’s Angels Angle Skull logo in and of itself has NO recognition to me. I gotta see the words “Hell’s Angels” to know what’s going on. But, then again, I’m not into bikes. At the same time, I know plenty of those who have motorcycles as well as had some hardcore biker friends in the past, many of whom are/were Hells Angels, and I can’t say anything negative about them. I’m all for protecting intellectual property. This one seems a bit of a slam dunk. Someone at Yomega I think failed to do their research and due diligence on this one. ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409/20 "2012-10-24T19:54:38Z")
Just a note to mention that I get a kick out of the forum’s auto-censor turning the properly-apostrophed version into “heck’s Angels”. ;D [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hells-angels-vs-yomega-toys-r-us/44409.md?page=2)