# Hedgehog Concepts (Trying to find a machine shop! + Pics added) **URL:** \ **Category:** Up & Coming Manufacturers\ **Created:** [July 25, 2012, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681 "2012-07-25T13:40:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![firespitter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/firespitter/32/1056_2.png) [@firespitter](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/firespitter)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/21 "2012-07-26T15:06:53Z")
yeah, for the most part you’re going to want the walls to be pretty even and thin, except for the rims which are thicker and heavier. ---
**Author:** ![YoyoGeezer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyogeezer/32/755_2.png) [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/22 "2012-07-27T00:30:54Z")
I would be careful about taking too much advice from too many people. Nothing against anything that has been said here; but design by committee deserves the poor reputation it has for a reason. Follow your own heart and mind. ---
**Author:** ![Njstringer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/njstringer/32/1122_2.png) [@Njstringer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Njstringer)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/23 "2012-07-27T02:44:39Z")
> [@firespitter](#): > > The dude above me know what’s up^ > > I was lucky enough to find a guy who is extremely friendly and used to be a yoyoer himself, back in the day. hard to find something like that. that being said, I still think that going with fox land is a great option seeing as he makes extremely high quality yo-yos (or so I’ve heard). Again, it’s good to find someone local, but only if they would take you seriously. If not, go with someone who is already in the business. Plus, One drop and fox land are no the only companies that have their own machine shops. contact a bunch of american based companies and ask where they get their yo-yos done. just keep trying and don’t give up. I agree. Definitely don’t give up! One Drop is just totally inundated with work but Foxland can do a great job as well. Personally I would love to be as lucky as the BLT crew and find a local guy…it would be so amazing to be able to be able to actually see the process. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/24 "2012-07-27T03:13:24Z")
> [@YoyoGeezer](#): > > I would be careful about taking too much advice from too many people. Nothing against anything that has been said here; but design by committee deserves the poor reputation it has for a reason. > > Follow your own heart and mind. Okay, I’ll just keep in mind the critical things. :3 ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/25 "2012-07-27T03:59:11Z")
Second sketch might come if the wall isn’t thick enough. -Kev ---
**Author:** ![DEADLY\_SpINS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/deadly_spins/32/1136_2.png) [@DEADLY\_SpINS](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DEADLY_SpINS)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 4:54am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/26 "2012-07-27T04:54:48Z")
One thing to look out for is too much rim weight. It will cause a horribly unforgiving throw and vibe issues. As One drop taught me Avoid large amounts of axial rim weight. It takes allot more than people think to design a proper stable SMOOTH spinning yoyo. You can be off a thousandth of an inch and it will be a problem. That design looks great though keep it up!!! ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/27 "2012-07-29T04:39:01Z")
Do most protos start a 300 for one yoyo? ---
**Author:** ![yoyomaverick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyomaverick/32/641_2.png) [@yoyomaverick](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyomaverick)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/28 "2012-07-29T05:18:52Z")
Looks sharp. Tone down the edges a bit… Round them more. I can imagine that hurting. ---
**Author:** ![firespitter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/firespitter/32/1056_2.png) [@firespitter](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/firespitter)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/29 "2012-07-29T05:58:44Z")
> [@KevTheHedgehog](#): > > Do most protos start a 300 for one yoyo? no no no. protos should cost generally less than $100 most of the time. Foxland charges $70 and one drop does 60. (this is just my experience) ---
**Author:** ![PlasticWhip](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/plasticwhip/32/896_2.png) [@PlasticWhip](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/PlasticWhip)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/30 "2012-07-29T12:02:03Z")
> [@KevTheHedgehog](#): > > Do most protos start a 300 for one yoyo? Don’t go asking for one proto. It’s far cheaper to get 5 yoyo’s compared to one. If you get one it would probably be $300 for the programming and $25 for machining. If you get 5 its more reasonable. Probably $300 for programming and $125 for machining. Those are just estimates based on the prices I’ve seen named. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/31 "2012-07-29T13:35:55Z")
> [@firespitter](#): > > > [@KevTheHedgehog](#): > > > > Do most protos start a 300 for one yoyo? > > no no no. protos should cost generally less than $100 most of the time. Foxland charges $70 and one drop does 60. (this is just my experience) It was foxland who was requesting 300 when they replied back. :s ---
**Author:** ![firespitter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/firespitter/32/1056_2.png) [@firespitter](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/firespitter)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/32 "2012-07-29T14:23:21Z")
foxland charges $300 for FOUR prototypes. $75 per yoyo. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/33 "2012-07-29T16:09:49Z")
Oh… I’ll double check on that. ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Tetrahedron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/tetrahedron/32/700_2.png) [@Tetrahedron](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Tetrahedron)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/34 "2012-07-31T19:05:59Z")
> [@firespitter](#): > > > [@KevTheHedgehog](#): > > > > Do most protos start a 300 for one yoyo? > > no no no. protos should cost generally less than $100 most of the time. Foxland charges $70 and one drop does 60. (this is just my experience) Did they tell you about programming costs? Because these prices seem completely off. ---
**Author:** ![firespitter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/firespitter/32/1056_2.png) [@firespitter](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/firespitter)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/35 "2012-07-31T19:31:23Z")
Actually, I think that includes programing costs, but I’m not sure. They told me $300 for 4 yo-yos, so I just figured it into 75 each. ---
**Author:** ![awhit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@awhit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/awhit)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/36 "2012-07-31T19:43:18Z")
> [@firespitter](#): > > Actually, I think that includes programing costs, but I’m not sure. They told me $300 for 4 yo-yos, so I just figured it into 75 each. It’s a fixed price. Doesn’t change. You pay $300 and get 4 protos. No discussion. Each yo-yo figures to be worth $75, but you can’t ask for one and pay $75. Doesn’t work like that. The $300 does include programming and such as well. Hope this clears things up 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![firespitter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/firespitter/32/1056_2.png) [@firespitter](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/firespitter)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/37 "2012-07-31T19:53:20Z")
> [@awhit](#): > > > [@firespitter](#): > > > > Actually, I think that includes programing costs, but I’m not sure. They told me $300 for 4 yo-yos, so I just figured it into 75 each. > > this guy can talk with words more better than me XD > but yeah that’s what I meant > > It’s a fixed price. Doesn’t change. You pay $300 and get 4 protos. No discussion. Each yo-yo figures to be worth $75, but you can’t ask for one and pay $75. Doesn’t work like that. The $300 does include programming and such as well. > > Hope this clears things up 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![yoyomaverick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyomaverick/32/641_2.png) [@yoyomaverick](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyomaverick)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/38 "2012-07-31T20:37:35Z")
Yeah. And its the same deal with Onedrop roughly. $600 gets you 25 HALVES. They generally make a couple mistakes so you end up with 10 yoyos. But that $600 covers every step of production, as long as you come in with a sketch. It can even be rough and not exact. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/39 "2012-08-01T03:46:27Z")
I got a dwg set up on my student version autoCAD for foxland to do a couple of yoyos. I just need to know if the student version is okay and need to raise $300. BTW the yoyo is a small bearing and is 53.78 mm in diameter ---
**Author:** ![PlasticWhip](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/plasticwhip/32/896_2.png) [@PlasticWhip](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/PlasticWhip)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681/40 "2012-08-01T14:09:10Z")
> [@KevTheHedgehog](#): > > I got a dwg set up on my student version autoCAD for foxland to do a couple of yoyos. > > I just need to know if the student version is okay and need to raise $300. > > BTW the yoyo is a small bearing and is 53.78 mm in diameter The small bearing thing, did you consider a “D” bearing? Fewer snags, and if you want, you can get 5x11x4 bearings. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hedgehog-concepts-trying-to-find-a-machine-shop-pics-added/40681.md?page=3)