# Head to Head - YoYoFactory PGM vs PGMv2 - YoYoSkills.com
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/head-to-head-yoyofactory-pgm-vs-pgmv2-yoyoskills-com/3675
**Category:** Yo-Yo Reviews
**Created:** [June 27, 2009, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/head-to-head-yoyofactory-pgm-vs-pgmv2-yoyoskills-com/3675 "2009-06-27T10:16:14Z")
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### Author:  [@dryoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dryoyo)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2009, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/head-to-head-yoyofactory-pgm-vs-pgmv2-yoyoskills-com/3675/1 "2009-06-27T10:16:14Z")
The new version of the Plastic Grind Machine (Affectionately referred to as the Chinese Grind Machine) has replaced its predecessor with a 10 dollar cheaper price tag. The question looms on many peoples minds, what all has changed? I don’t usually write a whole new review for a small version change, but this change has alot of people wondering…. What is the difference?
I have previously reviewed the YoYoFactory Grind Machine in a head to head with the YoYoJam Legacy. This time, I am taking the new version of the PGM, and pitting it against the old version.
Head to Head - PGM vs PGMv2
[Hit the jump to get the Head to Head](http://www.yoyoskills.com/?p=988)
[YoYoSkills.com](http://www.yoyoskills.com/?p=988)
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### Author:  [@gostop266](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/gostop266)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/head-to-head-yoyofactory-pgm-vs-pgmv2-yoyoskills-com/3675/2 "2009-06-27T17:58:13Z")
i say the newer the better, but also it really is proved the pgmv2 is better
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### Author:  [@Paolo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Paolo)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2009, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/head-to-head-yoyofactory-pgm-vs-pgmv2-yoyoskills-com/3675/3 "2009-06-28T05:59:53Z")
What did you mean by hitting the shelves of Wal-Mart and Target?
Is it literally going to be sold at those stores? 😛
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### Author:  [@mattsk8nike](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mattsk8nike)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/head-to-head-yoyofactory-pgm-vs-pgmv2-yoyoskills-com/3675/4 "2009-06-29T01:32:56Z")
> [@gm user](#):
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> What did you mean by hitting the shelves of Wal-Mart and Target?
> Is it literally going to be sold at those stores? 😛
Yup toysrus and everything.
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### Author:  [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/head-to-head-yoyofactory-pgm-vs-pgmv2-yoyoskills-com/3675/5 "2009-06-29T01:44:30Z")
> [@mattsk8nike](#):
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> > [@gm user](#):
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> > What did you mean by hitting the shelves of Wal-Mart and Target?
> > Is it literally going to be sold at those stores? 😛
>
> Yup toysrus and everything.
Proof?
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### Author:  [@dryoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dryoyo)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/head-to-head-yoyofactory-pgm-vs-pgmv2-yoyoskills-com/3675/6 "2009-06-29T02:16:34Z")
This is the new packaging, I was saying that it is nice enough to be on the shelf at a big box retailer
I don’t know if YoYofactory is going to be selling to these retailers, I am saying that the yoyo packaging is good enough that they could
[http://lh4.ggpht.com/\_FwzdOe3ouwg/SkfnM2xd4lI/AAAAAAAABuA/ygbPOMTOL7Y/s400/CIMG8611.JPG](http://lh4.ggpht.com/_FwzdOe3ouwg/SkfnM2xd4lI/AAAAAAAABuA/ygbPOMTOL7Y/s400/CIMG8611.JPG)
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### Author:  [@Paolo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Paolo)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/head-to-head-yoyofactory-pgm-vs-pgmv2-yoyoskills-com/3675/7 "2009-06-29T02:18:01Z")
> [@dryoyo](#):
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> This is the new packaging, I was saying that it is nice enough to be on the shelf at a big box retailer
> I don’t know if YoYofactory is going to be selling to these retailers, I am saying that the yoyo packaging is good enough that they could
> [http://lh4.ggpht.com/\_FwzdOe3ouwg/SkfnM2xd4lI/AAAAAAAABuA/ygbPOMTOL7Y/s400/CIMG8611.JPG](http://lh4.ggpht.com/_FwzdOe3ouwg/SkfnM2xd4lI/AAAAAAAABuA/ygbPOMTOL7Y/s400/CIMG8611.JPG)
Oh, darn, I was hoping I could pick one up.
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### Author:  [@mongoriller](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mongoriller)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/head-to-head-yoyofactory-pgm-vs-pgmv2-yoyoskills-com/3675/8 "2009-06-29T02:20:01Z")
I just got a PGM v.2 in a trade and it came with the box. He said that it was the original box. Then when we saw the packaging for them at the YoyoClub he said that it didn’t come in that.
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### Author:  [@mattsk8nike](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mattsk8nike)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2009, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/head-to-head-yoyofactory-pgm-vs-pgmv2-yoyoskills-com/3675/9 "2009-06-29T02:33:18Z")
> [@Samad](#):
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> > [@mattsk8nike](#):
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> > > [@gm user](#):
> > >
> > > What did you mean by hitting the shelves of Wal-Mart and Target?
> > > Is it literally going to be sold at those stores? 😛
> >
> > Yup toysrus and everything.
>
> Proof?
“This yo-yo is now ready to hit the shelves at Toys r Us, Target, and other boutiques.”
[http://www.yoyoskills.com/?p=988](http://www.yoyoskills.com/?p=988)
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### Author:  [@dryoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dryoyo)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/head-to-head-yoyofactory-pgm-vs-pgmv2-yoyoskills-com/3675/10 "2009-06-29T02:43:21Z")
There were some that came in a green yyf “tv” box
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### Author:  [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2009, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/head-to-head-yoyofactory-pgm-vs-pgmv2-yoyoskills-com/3675/11 "2009-06-29T04:53:37Z")
> [@mattsk8nike](#):
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> > [@Samad](#):
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> > > [@mattsk8nike](#):
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> > > > [@gm user](#):
> > > >
> > > > What did you mean by hitting the shelves of Wal-Mart and Target?
> > > > Is it literally going to be sold at those stores? 😛
> > >
> > > Yup toysrus and everything.
> >
> > Proof?
>
> “This yo-yo is now ready to hit the shelves at Toys r Us, Target, and other boutiques.”
> [http://www.yoyoskills.com/?p=988](http://www.yoyoskills.com/?p=988)
Let us have dryoyo confirm that its going in stores. I thought he meant that the way its packaged means that it could be in stores very easily.
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### Author:  [@dryoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dryoyo)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2009, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/head-to-head-yoyofactory-pgm-vs-pgmv2-yoyoskills-com/3675/12 "2009-06-29T06:46:55Z")
Scroll up Samad