# Has Everyone that has used the 401-k had a good experience with it? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [February 12, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/has-everyone-that-has-used-the-401-k-had-a-good-experience-with-it/11277 "2010-02-12T03:14:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![king825](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/king825/32/347_2.png) [@king825](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/king825)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/has-everyone-that-has-used-the-401-k-had-a-good-experience-with-it/11277/1 "2010-02-12T03:14:55Z")
Thinking of getting it because of the adjustables. Any flaws? ---
**Author:** ![Mikers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/958977/32.png) [@Mikers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mikers)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/has-everyone-that-has-used-the-401-k-had-a-good-experience-with-it/11277/2 "2010-02-12T03:38:56Z")
I’ve owned six. They’re great and won’t disappoint unless you’re expecting it to be as smooth as recent YoYoFactory. ---
**Author:** ![anon17117379](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@anon17117379](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon17117379)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/has-everyone-that-has-used-the-401-k-had-a-good-experience-with-it/11277/3 "2010-02-12T10:37:42Z")
I had the proto almost rip my thumbnail off at the 2005 nationals… Never really liked them after that haha. They’re okay if you don’t try to thumb grind, just not my style of yo-yo, a little too light for me. ---
**Author:** ![king825](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/king825/32/347_2.png) [@king825](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/king825)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/has-everyone-that-has-used-the-401-k-had-a-good-experience-with-it/11277/4 "2010-02-12T12:23:53Z")
Okay so not good for thumb grinds… How wide is the range of the responsiveness? From flick of the wrist to near impossible to get up, or not so much? ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/has-everyone-that-has-used-the-401-k-had-a-good-experience-with-it/11277/5 "2010-02-12T12:40:31Z")
the newer ones with the circular dials thumbgrind ok. i don’t do a lot of thumbgrinds, but only the 1st chunky dials were uncomfortable to me. as for response, it can be totally rock-on-string dead up to downright snappy, but having a clean bearing and aggressive response always feels weird to me. best to use some lube to bring up the response. all in all, i think it’s definitely one of the best yo-yo’s of the past decade… granted several yyf’s would make that list. my 1st run 401 is a yo-yo i sold that i ended up really missing. take that for what it’s worth i guess. if you can score one of the espionage models, you should. one of the best coatings ever. ---
**Author:** ![king825](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/king825/32/347_2.png) [@king825](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/king825)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/has-everyone-that-has-used-the-401-k-had-a-good-experience-with-it/11277/6 "2010-02-12T12:45:06Z")
So this would be the later run? [http://www.yoyonation.com/product.php?productid=16273](http://www.yoyonation.com/product.php?productid=16273) ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/has-everyone-that-has-used-the-401-k-had-a-good-experience-with-it/11277/7 "2010-02-12T13:56:41Z")
Next time try to just post a pic of the yoyo instead of linking to another store. Yes I think that’s it. Not totally sure though. My memory is failing me at this point. ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/has-everyone-that-has-used-the-401-k-had-a-good-experience-with-it/11277/8 "2010-02-12T15:04:41Z")
that was actually the original run. you can tell by the triangular marker on the dial. that’s what cut up peoples’ thumbs on ring grinds. later runs had a smooth, circular marker. all played awesome though. ---
**Author:** ![king825](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/king825/32/347_2.png) [@king825](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/king825)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/has-everyone-that-has-used-the-401-k-had-a-good-experience-with-it/11277/9 "2010-02-12T15:30:55Z")
oh, ok so this is the new one. ---
**Author:** ![J-Spinn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/j-spinn/32/108_2.png) [@J-Spinn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/J-Spinn)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/has-everyone-that-has-used-the-401-k-had-a-good-experience-with-it/11277/10 "2010-02-12T16:03:12Z")
I think there were 3 runs of the 401k the pics you have up are the 2nd and 3rd runs. But the basicly all have the same shape. Think California with dials. The 1st and 2nd runs had the same basic colors gunmetal grey, red, and silver. The 3rd were Teflon coated black, white, and blue. Oh almost forgot about the ppk slimer and faster, and the team editions. I own the 401 k and ppk I never had any problems with them a really great yoyo. ---
**Author:** ![JeiCheetah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jeicheetah/32/612192_2.png) [@JeiCheetah](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JeiCheetah)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/has-everyone-that-has-used-the-401-k-had-a-good-experience-with-it/11277/11 "2010-02-12T19:08:02Z")
I have a first run 401k and its been one of my main 5A throws for many years. It has a slight vibe but the play of the yoyo itself is ridiculously smooth. My fave yyf yoyo so far. Awesome. 🙂