# Hand Made CounterWeights. **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [December 9, 2014, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hand-made-counterweights/71237 "2014-12-09T02:06:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TheArcadeKid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ba0ec/32.png) [@TheArcadeKid](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheArcadeKid)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hand-made-counterweights/71237/1 "2014-12-09T02:06:44Z")
Hey guys so i just made 2 counterweights for myself. What would you say if i made more and sold them? Good or Bad idea? Do you think they would sell? Its okay if you think not. xD If so how much would you pay for them? I will make some more and post pictures sometime tomorrow or the day after if you would like. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Lseda3984](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@Lseda3984](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lseda3984)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 2:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hand-made-counterweights/71237/2 "2014-12-09T02:40:24Z")
Some pics and more info would be good to start off like what kind of matiral are you using does the cw have a ball bearing and weight ---
**Author:** ![LeftyLink](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/leftylink/32/1321_2.png) [@LeftyLink](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LeftyLink)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hand-made-counterweights/71237/3 "2014-12-09T03:00:58Z")
I’m pretty sure you need to go through Duncan before you can start selling your own CWs ---
**Author:** ![GarrettMfnMoody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5e9695/32.png) [@GarrettMfnMoody](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GarrettMfnMoody)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hand-made-counterweights/71237/4 "2014-12-09T03:22:40Z")
> [@LeftyLink](#): > > I’m pretty sure you need to go through Duncan before you can start selling your own CWs I could be mistaken, but I think it is only a patened issue if you are selling the yoyo with counterweight as a kit and advertising it as a freehand yoyo. I think counterweights are okay on their own. I could be wrong tho ---
**Author:** ![Zareli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b3f665/32.png) [@Zareli](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Zareli)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 3:29am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hand-made-counterweights/71237/5 "2014-12-09T03:29:33Z")
> [@TheArcadeKid](#): > > Hey guys so i just made 2 counterweights for myself. > What would you say if i made more and sold them? Good or Bad idea? > Do you think they would sell? Its okay if you think not. xD > If so how much would you pay for them? > I will make some more and post pictures sometime tomorrow or the day after if you would like. > Thanks! I read the ideal weight is 1/7 of the yoyo’s weight. Consider that you should be able to make CWs with custom weight. If you’re gonna sell them, be able to provide precisely as g decimals (get a scale). The best idea I’ve seen so far are using a plastic tube from a pen and wrap it into old strings covered in adhesive until it forms a ball, you can fine tune the weight in the end (you can also add a small bearing in the plastic tube to make it takeshi like). The ball shape is better to begin (it doesn’t hit you so bad), they should be bigger than a regular dice (The duncan dice is 21x21x21mm with VERY rounded edges). More edgy pointy shapes are for more experienced players that are used to catch the cw. Don’t sell them as CW, advertise as yoyo accesory for 5A and I think you should be fine with Duncan. ---
**Author:** ![jhb8426](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhb8426/32/631_2.png) [@jhb8426](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jhb8426)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/hand-made-counterweights/71237/6 "2014-12-09T03:44:13Z")
> [@TheArcadeKid](#): > > What would you say if i made more and sold them? Good or Bad idea? What would you say if i made more and sold them? Good or Bad idea? Ummm, no it’s not ok. It’s not up for debate here. Contact Duncan for details. (Or Steve Brown can fill in the blanks too.) > [@Making Counterweights](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/14): > > Nope. Can’t sell them, no matter what you call them. Sorry. > [@Would you buy custom made Clay Counter-Weights?](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/would-you-buy-custom-made-clay-counter-weights/58120/22): > > Doesn’t matter what you call them, you are selling them for the purpose of being used as counterweight, which is illegal unless you license the patent from Duncan. [Re: Making Counterweights](http://yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php/topic,71696.msg797220.html#msg797220) [Re: The symbol of American yoyoing?](http://yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php/topic,74401.msg837419.html#msg837419) > [@Making Counterweights](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/making-counterweights/63690/15): > > Here’s the patent: > > [http://www.startribune.com/nation/285025661.html](http://www.startribune.com/nation/285025661.html) > > The very general wording seems to make it very inclusive. You could sell them as other things, but the moment you people start using them as counterweights on anything but a 4A yoyo you could be sued. [Re: Selling DICE, are there problems with that?](http://yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php/topic,20588.msg207829.html#msg207829) Short summary [duncan counterweight agreement:](http://yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php/topic,21284.0.html) Sooo, the short answer is NO, you can’t. Case closed.