# Grind machine? **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [August 28, 2012, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/grind-machine/41985 "2012-08-28T18:10:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Adri11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Adri11](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Adri11)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/grind-machine/41985/1 "2012-08-28T18:10:35Z")
I’m looking for a good unresponsive yoyo and I want to know if the grind machine is a good choice. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/grind-machine/41985/2 "2012-08-28T18:17:39Z")
Good, yes Unresponsive, Yes the Grind Machine meets your criteria! ---
**Author:** ![Adri11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Adri11](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Adri11)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/grind-machine/41985/3 "2012-08-28T18:22:28Z")
Thank you ---
**Author:** ![MrSquirrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mrsquirrel/32/1008_2.png) [@MrSquirrel](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MrSquirrel)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/grind-machine/41985/4 "2012-08-28T18:31:29Z")
I would reccomend the stackless version. It saves you a few bucks, and it’s quieter. I had a PGM and I barely ever used the stacks. ---
**Author:** ![yoyomaverickgt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyomaverickgt/32/661_2.png) [@yoyomaverickgt](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyomaverickgt)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/grind-machine/41985/5 "2012-08-29T02:11:57Z")
grind machine is decent. When I tried the pgm it was a little too unstable for my liking. Keep in mind I like extremely stably yoyos. In my opinion the northstar and the protostar play better for me. I would recommend them. if you wait a little bit the yyj classic will come out and it’s good too imo. They were at worlds ;D ---
**Author:** ![JaxR2009](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7ab992/32.png) [@JaxR2009](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JaxR2009)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/grind-machine/41985/6 "2012-08-29T23:52:53Z")
Stackless GM is the best idea. ---
**Author:** ![haxmonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/haxmonkey/32/1150_2.png) [@haxmonkey](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/haxmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/grind-machine/41985/7 "2012-08-29T23:57:32Z")
gring machine or yyj kickside ---
**Author:** ![KJ25](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5e9695/32.png) [@KJ25](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/KJ25)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/grind-machine/41985/8 "2012-08-30T14:18:58Z")
I had a grind machine and i loved it!.. for the few weeks it worked anyways. I would much suggest that you buy a protostar. About the same price but the play is much better. Hope this helped! ---
**Author:** ![Pocko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9d8465/32.png) [@Pocko](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pocko)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/grind-machine/41985/9 "2012-08-30T15:33:43Z")
I got one to replace my broken Northstar and for use in 5a. 5a is better then say a Raptor, but still pretty average. Overall, I continually find myself “outplaying” the PGM. It just doesn’t play fast enough and doesn’t have enough weight to give it that authoritative feel that I like in a throw. Beginner - yes Intermediate - maybe Advanced - no Starting out in 5a - yes ---
**Author:** ![hakysak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/bbce88/32.png) [@hakysak](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hakysak)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/grind-machine/41985/10 "2012-08-30T22:07:40Z")
Shinwoo Phantom, imo, is better and 1/3 the price. It’s very noisy, but also comes unresponsive. It is injected molded around metal rings, so it ihas better weight distribution similar to the YYF Stars and YYJ Journey. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/grind-machine/41985/11 "2012-08-31T16:05:29Z")
I like the grind machine and all, but it is not very good at sleeping.