# Great intermediate 4a Off-String yoyo? **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [March 24, 2014, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/great-intermediate-4a-off-string-yoyo/64862 "2014-03-24T04:04:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![neongauge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@neongauge](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/neongauge)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/great-intermediate-4a-off-string-yoyo/64862/1 "2014-03-24T04:04:17Z")
Hi there. I want to try out all the styles of yoyo play, and 4a is what I’m starting on. My preferences are as following: -Under 50$ -Good at grinding -Good for learning, but also able to carry me all the way to competion skill level. -Not super heavy, not super light -Not a Duncan fan -Preferably not polycarbonate as I don’t like the feeling. Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![DoubleBass](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/doublebass/32/1464_2.png) [@DoubleBass](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DoubleBass)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 4:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/great-intermediate-4a-off-string-yoyo/64862/2 "2014-03-24T04:11:52Z")
You can never go wrong with a YYJ Go Big Ive tried MANY 4a yoyos some more expensive and some less Its just a soild playing yoyo (That can take quite the beating) ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 6:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/great-intermediate-4a-off-string-yoyo/64862/3 "2014-03-24T06:01:28Z")
You’re gonna be looking at delrins if you want a good grinder which brings it down to the windforce and pegasus from god tricks for under $50. ---
**Author:** ![neongauge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@neongauge](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/neongauge)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/great-intermediate-4a-off-string-yoyo/64862/4 "2014-03-24T07:15:15Z")
> [@sparhawk](#): > > You’re gonna be looking at delrins if you want a good grinder which brings it down to the windforce and pegasus from god tricks for under $50. Out of those two which fits my preferences best and is overall better? ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/great-intermediate-4a-off-string-yoyo/64862/5 "2014-03-24T14:43:40Z")
I would think the pegasus is better personally ---
**Author:** ![Gundersniff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gundersniff/32/1503_2.png) [@Gundersniff](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Gundersniff)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/great-intermediate-4a-off-string-yoyo/64862/6 "2014-03-25T18:36:29Z")
My YYJ Go Big just came in yesterday. I just started 4a yesterday and it’s nice to learn on, although I don’t have another 4a throw to compare it to. A lot of people say it is a great place to start and can carry you from beginner to expert, which is why I settled on it. ---
**Author:** ![Jake\_Elliott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/49beb7/32.png) [@Jake\_Elliott](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jake_Elliott)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/great-intermediate-4a-off-string-yoyo/64862/7 "2014-03-25T22:33:43Z")
I’m a big fan of the Zeekio Apollo. I’m not a great offstring player, but I think it plays very well. It’s cheap at $40, machined from delrin, and feels durable. It’s 80 grams, but I’m not sure if that’s heavy or light when it comes to offstring yoyos. ---
**Author:** ![neongauge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@neongauge](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/neongauge)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/great-intermediate-4a-off-string-yoyo/64862/8 "2014-03-27T19:37:43Z")
> [@Jake Elliott](#): > > I’m a big fan of the Zeekio Apollo. I’m not a great offstring player, but I think it plays very well. > [@sparhawk](#): > > I would think the pegasus is better personally > [@DoubleBass](#): > > You can never go wrong with a YYJ Go Big Thanks for the tips. How is the JT HyBREED? It looks nice. how is it compared to the pegasus? ---
**Author:** ![neongauge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@neongauge](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/neongauge)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2014, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/great-intermediate-4a-off-string-yoyo/64862/9 "2014-03-30T01:20:29Z")
bump. This last question is important. though anyone has any other ideas for a high quality grindable offstring for 30-50$ it would be much appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/great-intermediate-4a-off-string-yoyo/64862/10 "2014-03-31T05:52:10Z")
JT makes some top notch stuff so if you have an option to go for that I’d do it