# General Yoyo Thoughts
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [August 20, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204 "2019-08-20T20:58:39Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@rumstove](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rumstove)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2020, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1587 "2020-07-10T22:09:53Z")
@Yo-yoislife @eternalmetal how short of string are each of you playing? I’ve been thinking about trying shorter string as well. Right now with yo-yo touching the floor my string comes to belly button.
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### Author:  [@eternalmetal](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/eternalmetal)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2020, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1588 "2020-07-10T22:28:37Z")
Previously i was playing right below the sternum, but now belly button length plus or minus an inch. I now realize that i was playing with an expert slack enthusiast string length. I could go shorter if i were focusing on speed, tech, or horizontal. Gonna stick to the middle for now.
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### Author:  [@Yo-yoislife](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yo-yoislife)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2020, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1589 "2020-07-10T22:36:06Z")
My usually measure my string to reach my bellybutton as well. I noticed that if I go any shorter, tech tricks become impossible.
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### Author:  [@eternalmetal](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/eternalmetal)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1590 "2020-07-10T22:57:46Z")
The difference is that im 6’ tall, and ive seen your vids and you are definitely shorter. This is why suggested string length even when telling beginners is up to discussion.
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### Author:  [@Yo-yoislife](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yo-yoislife)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2020, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1591 "2020-07-10T23:59:23Z")
Yeah I understand that. I’m 5"5 and I’m PROUD!!!
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### Author:  [@ChrisFrancz](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ChrisFrancz)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2020, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1592 "2020-07-16T12:19:14Z")
My neighbors young son was excited about the $1 yoyo he got out of the treasure chest at YMCA camp. I gave him a Spinstar and I gave his dad a Fizz and went through some basics. The lady next door saw this and told her 24 year old son and he asked to see my yoyos. I showed him some and explained about the kind of yoyos I use. He was seriously interested. In 45 minutes he was doing binds, front mount, split bottom mount, and learning brain twister. Every few days we will throw together outside. He’s pretty enthusiastic. He watches yoyos videos and is getting smoother. I try to nudge him to develop good throwing habits and towards what tricks helped me develop because they are good building blocks. I want him to find his own path so I hang back to a point and let him do whatever excites him. He is enamored with binding.
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### Author:  [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2020, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1593 "2020-07-16T12:31:57Z")
awesome man, awesome :heart::heart::heart:
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### Author:  [@Mystik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mystik)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2020, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1594 "2020-07-16T12:49:02Z")
If a yoyo is MIB, why is it out of its packaging? How is it “practically never used”? Comics and toys that are in MIB, truly are. So why are we using misleading labels?
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### Author:  [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2020, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1595 "2020-07-16T12:54:15Z")
i’ve generally stopped using the term nmtbs, because it’s seemed to have been stretched a bit at times. nm no damage for me encompasses an accurate description if it is so…
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### Author:  [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2020, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1596 "2020-07-16T16:58:40Z")
My interpretation of these terms would be:
- **Mint in Box** means the yoyo comes with its original packaging (usually a box) and is indistinguishable in all ways from a yoyo that’s never been removed from said packaging.
- **_Practically never used_** means the yoyo was played so minimally as to be indistinguishable from MIB, but _was_ played nonetheless. This is simply a nod towards full disclosure.
- **NMTBS** means the seller has not examined the yoyo closely/carefully enough to verify whether it qualifies as “mint” (i.e., indistinguishable from “new, unopened”) or not. Usually this is used to cover one’s butt in the event a buyer’s personal grading system doesn’t perfectly match one’s own.
Since, as far as I know, there is no official yoyo grading system, everyone is left to their own terminology and interpretations of such. Consequently, nobody is using misleading labels, per se, they are simply using labels that match their headcanon.
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### Author:  [@Mystik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mystik)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1597 "2020-07-16T19:09:11Z")
I understand these statements fully. But I still feel that MIB is a specific description of “unopened from factory”. Maybe “mint w/box, thrown once over carpet, still as it was from the manufacturer”.
I do not feel that any posts of MIB have presented there products incorrectly, as everyone here seems to be _very_ detailed in the representation.:+1:
I just wish we had a better wording for it.
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### Author:  [@Mystik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mystik)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1598 "2020-07-16T19:10:08Z")
I just should have picked a better word than misleading.
My apologies.💝
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### Author:  [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2020, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1599 "2020-07-16T19:11:48Z")
> [@Mystik](#):
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> But I still feel that MIB is a specific description of “unopened from factory”.
Sure, and that makes just as much sense as my definition. However, in the absence of an officially endorsed/accepted definition for the entire community, your definition competes with mine and every other definition out there for legitimacy, meaning none of them really matter for squat.
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### Author:  [@Mystik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mystik)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1600 "2020-07-16T19:13:04Z")
I submit to your logic @zslane. Much respect.
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### Author:  [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1601 "2020-07-16T19:50:28Z")
for future reference
> [@Yoyo Damage Terminology (with pictures!)](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyo-damage-terminology-with-pictures/52813):
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> There has always been confusion on what constitutes a ding, or a scuff, or a ‘pinprick’. Well I threw together this little guide to help alleviate some of that confusion. Know your terminology before engaging in BST activity! Let me preface this by saying that damage has different levels of severity, so they won’t necessarily always adhere to these definitions. Ding The ding is one of the most prevalent forms of damage you’ll encounter. They occur when your yoyo strikes another hard object (wh…
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### Author:  [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1602 "2020-07-16T20:01:10Z")
and this
[https://yo-yos.net/grading-scale/](https://yo-yos.net/grading-scale/)
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### Author:  [@Mystik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mystik)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1603 "2020-07-16T20:18:47Z")
I feel like Luckys scale should have ended with a broken one labelled dead.😁
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### Author:  [@Mystik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mystik)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2020, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1604 "2020-07-16T20:21:13Z")
Thanks @zslane and @fatguysnacks247, I love it when a conversation stays constructive and informative.
I love the opposite too, but for the absolute wring reasons!😈
_tranquilo Mateo_
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### Author:  [@beeebon](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/beeebon)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1605 "2020-07-17T18:11:46Z")
Still experiencing massive yoyo apathy, more so than any other time since I got back into it at Xmas 2017, I’m not giving up as I know the flame will get rekindled at some point but right now just not feeling it at all.
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### Author:  [@ChrisFrancz](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ChrisFrancz)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/1606 "2020-07-17T18:16:16Z")
It happens. Don’t sweat. It’s Yoyo Burnout.
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