# General Yoyo Thoughts **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [August 20, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204 "2019-08-20T20:58:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![nonja121](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nonja121/32/52722_2.png) [@nonja121](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nonja121)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/421 "2019-10-22T17:46:47Z")
> [@eternalmetal](#): > > Some tricks are clearly tricks, but others seem like combos, others just elements, and then you have the classics, which may be a combination of both, and many people know them because of their seniority in the community, but is hard/impossible for a newcomer to recognize without studying some trick history. There’s a certain point where it just becomes semantics. That’s kind of why I think the book ends of “throw” and “bind/return” make sense. Think about the Breakaway Throw. That’s considered a “trick” in the trick ladder as far as I know, but it’s such a fundamental element of basically anything you do in side style that it’s hard to argue it’s a stand-alone trick. So how does the trick ladder define that trick as successful? It has to return to your hand. So I think the bookmarks of “throw” and “bind/return” have precedent and make sense. The label really just comes down to how you use the trick/element. If it’s stand-alone, it’s a trick. If it transitions into or was transitioned into from something else, then it’s an element. And same for combos. Skin The Gerbil can be a stand-alone combo trick by itself bookmarked by a throw and a bind/return or an element in a larger combo. ---
**Author:** ![EOS44](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eos44/32/47059_2.png) [@EOS44](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EOS44)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/422 "2019-10-22T17:52:07Z")
> [@zslane](#): > > Why is the UNPRLD Abduction so bloody heavy? Designed for 3A. Heavy usually means overly stable. Also maybe Elliot Ogawa (the person the Abduction was designed for) likes heavy yoyos. ---
**Author:** ![EOS44](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eos44/32/47059_2.png) [@EOS44](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EOS44)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/423 "2019-10-22T17:55:44Z")
> [@nonja121](#): > > some people seemed to be saying that certain things were elements and not tricks in a general sense devoid of whether they were used as part of a combo or as a stand-alone thing. Got it. I don’t agree with this at all tho. An element (any element) is definitely a trick in any circumstance. ---
**Author:** ![JWaugh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jwaugh/32/42366_2.png) [@JWaugh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JWaugh)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/424 "2019-10-22T18:51:46Z")
He made a lot of Blockades ---
**Author:** ![PCaliyoyos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pcaliyoyos/32/108396_2.png) [@PCaliyoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/PCaliyoyos)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/425 "2019-10-22T18:56:42Z")
what do you mean by “overly stable”? ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/426 "2019-10-22T18:57:17Z")
Why does that lead to people selling theirs on BSTs? ---
**Author:** ![JWaugh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jwaugh/32/42366_2.png) [@JWaugh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JWaugh)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/427 "2019-10-22T18:59:57Z")
He sells lots of b grades, people want endgames instead, idk ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/428 "2019-10-22T19:12:45Z")
I only ask because I see so many Blockades up on BSTs that I can’t help but wonder what’s wrong with it. (Upon further inspection, maybe it is the 4.92mm gap that turns people off…) ---
**Author:** ![twitch77](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/twitch77/32/60219_2.png) [@twitch77](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/twitch77)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/429 "2019-10-22T19:51:23Z")
haha thanks a lot guys on the discussion over the definition of “trick” vs. “combo”! As I was typing up the question, I felt rather silly about why I was even asking for some reason lol…glad I’m not the only one who’d been curious about this! I still really like this definition: > [@nonja121](#): > > **Trick** - a formalized and named set of movements, beginning with a throw and concluding with the yoyo returning to the hand, that combines its various elements in a way that had not been done before. And especially this: > [@T4t3z0r88](#): > > Tricks are something short with a defined beginning and end that one would do the same every time they did it. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/430 "2019-10-22T19:56:28Z")
During contests, judges must decide when to click trick elements, and it isn’t as simple as merely clicking every time the yoyo lands on the string. For instance, they endeavor to avoid clicking when they see a trick/element that’s a repeat of one that scored clicks already. So there must be some reasonably formal definition of what constitutes a “trick” for scoring purposes, if only to define when something is or isn’t being repeated during a routine. ---
**Author:** ![EOS44](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eos44/32/47059_2.png) [@EOS44](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EOS44)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/431 "2019-10-22T20:18:12Z")
Like, super stable? very stable. That resist changing plane a lot. ---
**Author:** ![PCaliyoyos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pcaliyoyos/32/108396_2.png) [@PCaliyoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/PCaliyoyos)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/432 "2019-10-22T20:18:31Z")
ok cool! ---
**Author:** ![SirDarverok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9e5f3/32.png) [@SirDarverok](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SirDarverok)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/433 "2019-10-22T20:36:21Z")
We adopted a cat a day ago. Seems like it loves playing with my string balls haha ---
**Author:** ![twitch77](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/twitch77/32/60219_2.png) [@twitch77](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/twitch77)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/434 "2019-10-22T20:37:14Z")
> [@SirDarverok](#): > > We adopted a cat a day ago. Pics & vids or it didn’t happen! ---
**Author:** ![SirDarverok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9e5f3/32.png) [@SirDarverok](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SirDarverok)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/435 "2019-10-22T20:40:09Z")
![IMG_20191022_223816](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/d/3/3d3b00ac243297eb9c5ed0acab6e14b6f1a4b247.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![adamantiumpops](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/adamantiumpops/32/198285_2.png) [@adamantiumpops](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/adamantiumpops)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/436 "2019-10-22T20:47:50Z")
I have decided that I will try and use all the string I have by the end of the year. This has prompted me to start playing more, and learning more, and changing strings at more respectable intervals rather than letting them get hella-frayed before taking action. ---
**Author:** ![EOS44](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eos44/32/47059_2.png) [@EOS44](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EOS44)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/437 "2019-10-22T21:01:27Z")
> [@adamantiumpops](#): > > letting them get hella-frayed Bro, that’s all i do everytime. Really bad habit tho. Keep that string fresh. ---
**Author:** ![nonja121](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nonja121/32/52722_2.png) [@nonja121](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nonja121)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/438 "2019-10-22T21:07:06Z")
> [@SirDarverok](#): > > We adopted a cat a day ago. OMGGG congrats :heart::heart::heart: ---
**Author:** ![nonja121](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nonja121/32/52722_2.png) [@nonja121](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nonja121)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/439 "2019-10-22T21:20:44Z")
> [@zslane](#): > > So there must be some reasonably formal definition of what constitutes a “trick” for scoring purposes, if only to define when something is or isn’t being repeated during a routine. I’d actually be really interested in that, as that definition would probably be more appropriate and organic for the style of play that most of us are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![French](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/french/32/70748_2.png) [@French](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/French)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204/440 "2019-10-22T21:21:12Z")
You and me both. I’ve been trying to change my old habits of not changing string until it has so much loss of ability to hold tension that a single trapeze results in spaghetti string. Nasty, fuzzy spaghetti string. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/general-yoyo-thoughts/307204.md?page=23)