# Gauging interest...
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [April 4, 2017, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676 "2017-04-04T03:01:06Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 3
### Author:  [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/41 "2017-04-06T18:13:36Z")
> [@mrciurleo](#):
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> The community as a whole seems to lean towards ‘competition throws’, which is fine, but how many of us really compete? For the select few that do, can you truly notice the minute differences between the throws today that are all so similar?
I think pros will feel differences, and once you get to a certain level of ability I think you’ll feel the differences. I’m not a pro, I haven’t competed since 1995/96, but I can tell you the differences in most yoyos.
> [@mrciurleo](#):
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> I feel safe in making the assumption that the majority of throwers could do all of their tricks on an organic if they just put in a tad bit more time before rushing onto the next trick. Great competitors of today are like skyscrapers, as long as they have a stable foundation, the sky’s the limit.
Agree 100% with this. However, the world we live in now is instant (or close to it) gratification for everything, want to put in as little work as possible to achieve the highest results. Why you see a lot of guys learn to bind (sort of), learn the breakaway, then jump to the Expert level tricks on YYE or other tutorial sites. Most organic shaped yoyos don’t help with that.
I’d be willing to bet that the majority of pro level competitors could still place using a 888 or similar yoyo. Gentry won Nationals on a Replay that he took out of the box just before going on stage.
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### Author:  [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/42 "2017-04-06T21:59:17Z")
> [@AaronW](#):
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> Agree 100% with this. However, the world we live in now is instant (or close to it) gratification for everything, want to put in as little work as possible to achieve the highest results. Why you see a lot of guys learn to bind (sort of), learn the breakaway, then jump to the Expert level tricks on YYE or other tutorial sites. Most organic shaped yoyos don’t help with that.
I agree with the comment about instant gratification culture. I’ve seen so many kids begin to yoyo enthusiastically but then fizzle out quickly when they realise it’s a hobby they need to invest in to become proficient at. It’s a hobby where the fun of it is tied up with the reward of it.
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### Author:  [@mrciurleo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrciurleo)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/43 "2017-05-08T21:49:51Z")
Prototypes have been machined! Hopefully I’ll have them soon. I’m just waiting to hear the final specs and I’ll let you all know!
The inspiration was originally a Sili Dert, but I wanted a spike and smooth cup. There were a few changes. I originally had flat rims but preferred having smooth curves throughout.
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### Author:  [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2017, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/44 "2017-05-08T22:12:15Z")
Looks great!
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### Author:  [@BIG\_NIC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/BIG_NIC)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/45 "2017-05-08T22:14:09Z")
> [@mrciurleo](#):
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> Prototypes have been machined!
Good stuff Matt! 🙂 Looks cool…!!
Can’t wait to see it assembled and hear the first thought!!
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### Author:  [@mrciurleo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrciurleo)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2017, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/46 "2017-05-08T22:21:32Z")
Thanks for the kind words 🙂
Without putting out definitive specs since I don’t even know them yet, I would classify this as mid-sized (as mid-sized was 7-10 years ago that is).
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### Author:  [@Throwto100](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Throwto100)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/47 "2017-05-08T22:39:55Z")
> [@mrciurleo](#):
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> Glen and Aaron pretty much have it covered. The essence of organics, to me at least, is going back to the basics. If you look at the ‘founding fathers’ of tricks, you’ll see they were all using, not even organic, but slimline responsive throws that required skill and accuracy. For example, look at old Doc Pop or Spencer videos and you’ll see what I mean.
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> > [@mrciurleo](#):
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> > Prototypes have been machined! Hopefully I’ll have them soon. I’m just waiting to hear the final specs and I’ll let you all know!
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> > The inspiration was originally a Sili Dert, but I wanted a spike and smooth cup. There were a few changes. I originally had flat rims but preferred having smooth curves throughout.
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> Mrciurleo
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> The community as a whole seems to lean towards ‘competition throws’, which is fine, but how many of us really compete? For the select few that do, can you truly notice the minute differences between the throws today that are all so similar?
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> I feel safe in making the assumption that the majority of throwers could do all of their tricks on an organic if they just put in a tad bit more time before rushing onto the next trick. Great competitors of today are like skyscrapers, as long as they have a stable foundation, the sky’s the limit.
I have been playing a popstar for a few days and I can really see how sloppy your play can get when yoyos are so forgiving, and also how fast your accuracy can improve when you challenge yourself with a more “unforgiving” yoyo. I am a fan of the recent trend towards slimline/oldschool style throws, its good for the community to have more awareness of just how easy modern yoyo make learning tricks, and just how sloppy you can get when you don’t throw anything else. Great work Mrciurleo!
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### Author:  [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/48 "2017-05-11T16:51:13Z")
> [@mrciurleo](#):
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> Prototypes have been machined! Hopefully I’ll have them soon. I’m just waiting to hear the final specs and I’ll let you all know!
>
> The inspiration was originally a Sili Dert, but I wanted a spike and smooth cup. There were a few changes. I originally had flat rims but preferred having smooth curves throughout.
I agree with others, that looks really nice!
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### Author:  [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/49 "2017-05-11T21:08:45Z")
> [@mrciurleo](#):
>
> Prototypes have been machined! Hopefully I’ll have them soon. I’m just waiting to hear the final specs and I’ll let you all know!
>
> The inspiration was originally a Sili Dert, but I wanted a spike and smooth cup. There were a few changes. I originally had flat rims but preferred having smooth curves throughout.
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> I am very happy with the way this looks! I’m excited for this one!
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### Author:  [@mrciurleo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrciurleo)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/50 "2017-05-11T21:19:06Z")
Prototypes arrived today! It’s a pretty awesome feeling when you’re holding something you designed. I’m not even sure what it’ll be called yet haha, but there’s plenty of time for that. Inspiration at first was the Sili Dert… which is why a few tweaks are needed, primarily rounding the rim. Aesthetically I’m not a huge fan of how it’s sharp. Right now the profile looks more like a 401k.
The (insert name here) plays so well! Absolutely dead smooth with a soft beadblast. The small step in the gap really helps with stability. I wanted to make something reminiscent of mid-sized throws from last decade with some characteristics that make today’s throws comparably better (i.e. smoothness and more stability). Here are the basic specs:
Width: 36.60 mm
Diameter: 52.55 mm
They are subject to minor change but should be right around these numbers. My balance doesn’t seem like it wants to cooperate… but it’s about 62-63 grams. Here are some photos!
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### Author:  [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/51 "2017-05-11T22:44:10Z")
I think it looks pretty awesome!
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### Author:  [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/52 "2017-05-12T00:09:57Z")
Stunning Matt! I love it!
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### Author:  [@mrciurleo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrciurleo)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/53 "2017-05-12T00:34:47Z")
I appreciate it 🙂
After playing with it for a week or so and making some small changes, there’ll be a small run available. It has been nice to nice a small resurgence in organics, but many still seem kind of bug compared to older throws. Looking at old General-Yo, Anti-Yo, and ILYY generally seem more mid-sized which was what I am shooting for.
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### Author:  [@lumanasty](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/lumanasty)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/54 "2017-05-12T00:55:13Z")
It looks like a throw I would love to have. Something about an organic that just tickles the right spots for me. While I love my V’s for showing off, causal play is almost always on an 888 because its just more fun to throw. Will definitely be keeping up with this thread and hope I can add one of these to my collection.
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### Author:  [@kretzschmar](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kretzschmar)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2017, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/55 "2017-05-12T01:18:29Z")
Looks great, like a much more comfortable Ronin!
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### Author:  [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/56 "2017-05-12T13:32:43Z")
Looks great!
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### Author:  [@BoneLock](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/BoneLock)
#### Post date: [May 13, 2017, 4:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/57 "2017-05-13T04:08:38Z")
I’m interested
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### Author:  [@Rasu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rasu)
#### Post date: [May 15, 2017, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/58 "2017-05-15T04:34:45Z")
I’m interested also. Looks fantastic!
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### Author:  [@mrciurleo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrciurleo)
#### Post date: [May 15, 2017, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/59 "2017-05-15T13:31:32Z")
Thanks everyone 🙂
As soon as school calms down a bit I’ll have a Facebook page up. The design has really grown on me since I’ve been using it, the only change I might make is rounding the rims.
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### Author:  [@yoyoretro](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyoretro)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2017, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/gauging-interest/83676/60 "2017-05-16T14:22:44Z")
The prototype is looking so good! Looking forward to seeing it with the rounded rims.
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