# First metal recommendations **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [August 22, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-recommendations/68827 "2014-08-22T17:48:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DavMin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/davmin/32/1571_2.png) [@DavMin](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DavMin)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-recommendations/68827/1 "2014-08-22T17:48:42Z")
First let me point out that I’m a beginner. I have YYF Velocity and Yomega Crossfire. I’d really like to get a decent all metal YoYo. I’m working my way through the intermediate 1A tricks and can’t seem to get the spin times with what I have. I’d like something stable and would like to stay under $65. Of course I’ve read a lot about the Shutter lately but is there something a little more forgiving or would that be a good choice? ---
**Author:** ![rogue2727](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7ba0ec/32.png) [@rogue2727](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rogue2727)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-recommendations/68827/2 "2014-08-22T18:12:25Z")
Shutter is a great choice along with CZM8 and Horizon. All of these offer great spin times and plays amazing for their price tag. I would also recommend the Duncan Strix and Torque as both are great throws as well. Ultimately, its up to you, so read the descriptions of yoyos and decide which you like and suits you 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-recommendations/68827/3 "2014-08-22T18:34:22Z")
My personal favorite is the 86400 > **[Werrd](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/werrd)** > > Out of Adelaide, South Australia, one of the driest places in the world, emerges Werrd, an innovative and fresh high-end yo-yo company.  It’s on the bigger side like the horizon > **[YoYoFactory](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/yoyofactory)** > > YoYoFactory was born in 2004 with a focus on functional technology to improve the playing experience. This has been a goal of the company which relies on the experience gathered from over 30 years of demonstrating yoyos around the planet. The end... The bigger throws just tend to play more interestingly to me. Also the bigger size will make string hits slightly easier but it can make some stuff like chopstick harder so there’s a tradeoff. I also love the stepped shape profile of the torque so have to give that guy a shoutout: > **[Duncan Torque](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/duncan-torque-yoyo)** > > Few companies can say they have been designing yo-yos as long as Duncan. They have been creating some of the best yo-yos around since most people can remember...maybe even before you were born! Actually, maybe even before some of your parents were... normally thinner yoyos are more stable and easier to use to I have to toss out the octave since it’s such a good performing yoyo > **[RecRev](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/recrev)** > > Recreational Revolution is a California based company producing yo-yos that are well designed and finished in a variety of really neat anodizations and laser engraving. People also love the level 6 and C3 is one of my favorite companies: > **[C3yoyodesign](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/c3yoyodesign)** > > C3yoyodesign has made it their mission to deliver some of the highest quality and built for performance yo-yos you can get your hands on. Being based in Hong Kong with an extremely competitive yo-yo culture they know what it takes to empower a... Then there’s the shutter which has proven itself as a good yoyo: > **[Shutter](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/shutter-yoyo-by-yoyofactory)** > > Built from the ground up, Shutter features an inner foil design to achieve a weight distribution that offers power, speed, and control! Gentry Stein Signature But with the money you’re spending I’d probly grab a shu-ta since it’s the 7075 improved version which will be more durable due to the upgraded aluminum: > **[YoYoFactory](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/yoyofactory)** > > YoYoFactory was born in 2004 with a focus on functional technology to improve the playing experience. This has been a goal of the company which relies on the experience gathered from over 30 years of demonstrating yoyos around the planet. The end... The last one I wanted to toss out was the benchmark H since the added rim weight helps with the stability and the side effects make it so you don’t have to worry about stripping the yoyo: [http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/1129/One-Drop-Benchmark-Series-H](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/1129/One-Drop-Benchmark-Series-H) ---
**Author:** ![DavMin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/davmin/32/1571_2.png) [@DavMin](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DavMin)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-recommendations/68827/4 "2014-08-22T18:41:42Z")
Thanks for the advice! Not to drag it out but given the choice should I go with a smaller gap size? I was also looking at the Werrd Minute, YYO Fit, Lava, Yaeger. It would be nice to able to try them but There’s no club around and the only retail is ToysRUs. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![VelvetTorpedo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/velvettorpedo/32/1559_2.png) [@VelvetTorpedo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/VelvetTorpedo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-recommendations/68827/5 "2014-08-22T18:45:38Z")
I’m pretty new to anything crazier than a Duncan Imperial. I started about 2 months ago learning 1A tricks and when the Horizon came out I decided to get one. It was a huge improvement over my Yomega Maverick and Magic T8, and I love it to death. You wont be disappointed if you go that way and you’ll have enough money left over for some kitty string haha. ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-recommendations/68827/6 "2014-08-22T19:13:44Z")
> [@DavMin](#): > > Thanks for the advice! Not to drag it out but given the choice should I go with a smaller gap size? > I was also looking at the Werrd Minute, YYO Fit, Lava, Yaeger. It would be nice to able to try them but There’s no club around and the only retail is ToysRUs. 😛 The fit and minute are more undersized which I would recommend against to a beginner unless they know it fits their play style since it can make horizontal style stuff a lot harder in my experience The jaeger falls into the big yoyo family like the 86400 and horizon but I find the latter ones better. The lava is a pretty nice yoyo though and is also worth considering. I also wouldn’t worry too much about the gap size since once again that’s more preference than anything until you start getting into the really advanced stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Slicemage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/slicemage/32/699061_2.png) [@Slicemage](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Slicemage)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-recommendations/68827/7 "2014-08-25T15:38:02Z")
Everything mentioned here so far are good options. I’d also consider the MagicYoyo N12. They tend to cost between $20-$30 and play surprisingly well - I’d consider it to be just a TINY step below the shutter. Great first metal to check out. ---
**Author:** ![live\_wire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f1d935/32.png) [@live\_wire](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/live_wire)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-recommendations/68827/8 "2014-08-25T16:05:52Z")
Since you are a beginner, you may not know exactly what you want in a yoyo yet. I suggest the One-Drop Benchmark H as mentioned above. It comes with One-Drop’s side effect axle system that allows you to swap out side effects, giving the yoyo a different feel and play. When you know what you want in a yoyo (Floaty or solid, slow or fast), then you can make better decisions about what you want based on your preferences. ---
**Author:** ![Moise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/moise/32/955_2.png) [@Moise](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Moise)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-recommendations/68827/9 "2014-08-25T22:32:29Z")
I know you said full metal, but hear me out. I have 65+ metals and I can honestly tell you I can do literally any trick on a protostar as well if not better than on any metal I own. I didn’t really even start using metals until I started learning “master” tricks, but even those I can perform on a protostar. To be honest, metals ding very very easily, and are not as durable or replaceable as plastics. Wherever I go I stuff a protostar in my pocket. As far as all metals go, I haven’t tried a metal under $60 that performs on par with a protostar, so I cant really say. If you MUST have an all metal, I would recommend saving up and buying a superstar or genesis. ---
**Author:** ![YoCyanightYo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/77aa72/32.png) [@YoCyanightYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoCyanightYo)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-recommendations/68827/10 "2014-08-25T23:15:49Z")
I’d recommend a shutter or a czm8. If you’re really willing to spend $65 I’d splurge and get a shu-ta. Its a shutter(Which is an amazing yoyo) thats been upgraded to be even better. ---
**Author:** ![Sergio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sergio/32/70931_2.png) [@Sergio](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sergio)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-recommendations/68827/11 "2014-08-26T01:34:19Z")
> [@YoCyanightYo](#): > > I’d recommend a shutter or a czm8. If you’re really willing to spend $65 I’d splurge and get a shu-ta. Its a shutter(Which is an amazing yoyo) thats been upgraded to be even better. You mean I’d much recommend a shutter or a czm8. So if you’re really much willing to spend $65 I’d splurge and get a shu-ta. Its a shutter(Which is a so wow yoyo) thats been so much upgraded to be even such better wow.