# First metal, do you really need one? I don't **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [March 27, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369 "2013-03-27T21:01:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bcmaddog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bcmaddog/32/1170_2.png) [@Bcmaddog](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bcmaddog)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/1 "2013-03-27T21:01:41Z")
Ok, I was reading the first metal topic, and many throwers have one. That’s ok. But for me, I have almost completed the learn section ( all but 2 masters and a few expert 1&2) and other YouTube videos. I can also do all the styles from 1a to 5a (attempted Möbius once). And I do NOT have a metal yoyo. The only yoyo I have with metal on it is a Northstar (just got) a Atmosphere that I found on … for $20. And I’m not sure about the PGM rings. Just want to point this out, you don’t need a metal yoyo to learn this learn section, or many other tricks. I have learned a majority with my PGM and Atmosphere. I also want a metal yoyo, but I’m not getting one any time soon. I’m fine with the yoyos I have and am having no trouble with tutorials past this learn section. ---
**Author:** ![Hendy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Hendy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Hendy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/2 "2013-03-27T21:05:44Z")
I completely agree that you don’t need a metal to be good. I pulled through the whole site and more with just a protostar and a northstar. Metals are just better-playing (generally), can open up new possibilities (usually much better grinders than plastics), and often look super awesome. ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/3 "2013-03-27T21:07:30Z")
Right on guys! I have a small stack of metals, but I still agree wholeheartedly. ---
**Author:** ![Bcmaddog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bcmaddog/32/1170_2.png) [@Bcmaddog](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bcmaddog)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/4 "2013-03-27T21:08:07Z")
> [@Hendy](#): > > I completely agree that you don’t need a metal to be good. I pulled through the whole site and more with just a protostar and a northstar. Metals are just better-playing (generally), can open up new possibilities (usually much better grinders than plastics), and often look super awesome. And more cash. I certainly would love a metal and have been planning one, but in just saying when you start out you don’t need to get a metal yoyo quickly until tricks are practically impossible with the yoyo you have. People thing they are magical or something. They aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Robin\_Hood0999](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/robin_hood0999/32/693_2.png) [@Robin\_Hood0999](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Robin_Hood0999)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/5 "2013-03-27T21:15:56Z")
> [@Bcmaddog](#): > > People thing they are magical or something. They aren’t. Well, you never know until you try… :wink: Personally I think metal yoyos can help greatly with learning grinds, that’s part of the reason I decided to get one. Also the smoothness of some metal yoyos cannot be compared to any plastics. I understand your opinion that they are not necessary to progress through yoyoing, but definitely add to the overall experience. ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/6 "2013-03-27T21:17:30Z")
I’ve never seen anyone claim they’re magical. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![MYNAMEISZen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@MYNAMEISZen](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MYNAMEISZen)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/7 "2013-03-27T21:20:51Z")
I know i don’t need metals I be fine with a Protostar but it’s just fun to be able to pick up a metal an throw it. It’s just a different feel. That reminds me. I need to buy a protostar. ---
**Author:** ![Elluzion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/elluzion/32/1269_2.png) [@Elluzion](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Elluzion)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/8 "2013-03-27T21:21:55Z")
Of course you dont need one. But they are more durable, have added weight which feels more satisfying to throw (honestly if youve never played a metal you will wish you had one from the start once you try it) , and plus they hurt more when you get hit in the face making you more willing to not make as many mistakes on the string. ---
**Author:** ![Hendy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Hendy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Hendy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/9 "2013-03-27T21:33:10Z")
As far as playability and usefulness, I don’t think you’d get twice as much out of a Genesis as you would a Northstar (which is close to half the price). What I’m saying is that price and performance are not necessarily in a linear relationship. Buying a metal will almost always be an improvement on plastic, but might not be proportional to the increase in money spent. ---
**Author:** ![boywithcap](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/boywithcap/32/507_2.png) [@boywithcap](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/boywithcap)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/10 "2013-03-27T21:39:18Z")
Plastic is fantastic but metal is shiny… I like shiny. ---
**Author:** ![Austin\_Deanhardt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/austin_deanhardt/32/1028_2.png) [@Austin\_Deanhardt](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Austin_Deanhardt)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/11 "2013-03-27T21:47:55Z")
You don’t really need a metal yoyo. You don’t really need bearings, either. With enough practice, you could probably do anything on a plastic transaxle yoyo, and you can do pretty cool tricks with a fixed axle yoyo, too. But, bearings are nice to have, and so are metal yoyos, and I like shiny things also. ---
**Author:** ![skitrz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skitrz/32/849_2.png) [@skitrz](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skitrz)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/12 "2013-03-27T22:40:58Z")
Of course you don’t need a metal! However, I do! :-\* ---
**Author:** ![Bcmaddog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bcmaddog/32/1170_2.png) [@Bcmaddog](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bcmaddog)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/13 "2013-03-27T22:44:15Z")
I just want everyone who stated I don’t know what a metal yoyo feels like to know that I have tried MANY metal throws, and I love them. I’m just saying that a metal yoyo is not going to make you better, you don’t need one to learn tutorials and ect. ---
**Author:** ![jhb8426](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhb8426/32/631_2.png) [@jhb8426](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jhb8426)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/14 "2013-03-27T22:46:03Z")
No, you don’t need a metal yoyo, just like you don’t need a Ferrari to drive. ---
**Author:** ![LeftyLink](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/leftylink/32/1321_2.png) [@LeftyLink](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LeftyLink)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/15 "2013-03-27T22:51:46Z")
> [@Bcmaddog](#): > > Ok, I was reading the first metal topic, and many throwers have one. That’s ok. But for me, I have almost completed the learn section ( all but 2 masters and a few expert 1&2) and other YouTube videos. I can also do all the styles from 1a to 5a (attempted Möbius once). > > And I do NOT have a metal yoyo. The only yoyo I have with metal on it is a Northstar (just got) a Atmosphere that I found on … for $20. And I’m not sure about the PGM rings. > > Just want to point this out, you don’t need a metal yoyo to learn this learn section, or many other tricks. > > I have learned a majority with my PGM and Atmosphere. > > I also want a metal yoyo, but I’m not getting one any time soon. I’m fine with the yoyos I have and am having no trouble with tutorials past this learn section. I’m getting one just because of the amazing deal it was ---
**Author:** ![Hippo\_Samurai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hippo_samurai/32/1058_2.png) [@Hippo\_Samurai](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Hippo_Samurai)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/16 "2013-03-28T01:47:06Z")
> [@Hendy](#): > > I completely agree that you don’t need a metal to be good. I pulled through the whole site and more with just a protostar and a northstar. Metals are just better-playing (generally), can open up new possibilities (usually much better grinders than plastics), and often look super awesome. Protostar+Northstar= $70 $70=Capless ---
**Author:** ![saintrobyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/saintrobyn/32/54_2.png) [@saintrobyn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saintrobyn)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:58am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/17 "2013-03-28T02:58:14Z")
I think you may have misunderstood the 1st metal thread. It is just asking what everyone’s first metal was. My first modern yoyo was an original Velocity and then I moved up to a Lyn Fury. Both of which were well loved and passed on to my daughter. I moved to a metal, an M1 and a YYF VK once I felt confident in my abilities. You are 100% correct, no one needs a metal. It is all about preference, your Northstar will do very well for you. Jensen won Worlds with that same model. ---
**Author:** ![Hendy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Hendy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Hendy)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/18 "2013-03-28T11:56:38Z")
> [@Hippo\_Samurai](#): > > > [@Hendy](#): > > > > I completely agree that you don’t need a metal to be good. I pulled through the whole site and more with just a protostar and a northstar. Metals are just better-playing (generally), can open up new possibilities (usually much better grinders than plastics), and often look super awesome. > > Protostar+Northstar= $70 > $70=Capless The Nothstar was actually replacement after my Protostar broke. But thanks for filling me with regret. Now I’m just imagining my learning experience if I had been throwing with some sweet, sweet metal all those months. XD ---
**Author:** ![Behemoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/behemoth/32/1291_2.png) [@Behemoth](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Behemoth)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/19 "2013-03-28T19:02:43Z")
It’s all about personal preference. IMO, metals have a wow factor to them (both in appearance and feel) that plastics don’t, so I prefer metals. If you get just as much satisfaction out of a ~$30 plastic than you’re a more fiscally responsible man than me. ---
**Author:** ![Tuxedodave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Tuxedodave](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Tuxedodave)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369/20 "2013-03-28T22:02:23Z")
Yes in a way, I sort of regret buying a metal. Now I just can’t stop. Of course all the tricks look the same. Just feel different, not easier but just different. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/first-metal-do-you-really-need-one-i-dont/51369.md?page=2)