# Duncan Restock - Haymaker X & Butterfly AL New Colors! **URL:** \ **Category:** Manufacturer Official News\ **Created:** [March 9, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519 "2020-03-09T22:07:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/1 "2020-03-09T22:07:59Z")
![HaymakerX-Extra_1024x1024](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/0/b/7/0b74b8449398e02ae040122ca65fd07e349d2b8d.jpeg) > **[Haymaker X](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/haymaker-x-yoyo-by-duncan)** > > The latest edition to the Duncan bi-metal lineup is the amazing new Haymaker X! The engineering and design process for the Haymaker X was Duncan's most difficult to-date. Their design team spent countless hours tuning the body and press fitting the... * * * ![ButterflyAL-Extra1_1024x1024](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/4/5/1/451a7ac49aeca5e00b6ce973f2517bc42373d372.jpeg) ![ButterflyAL-Extra2_84ae3f80-cc5c-4204-8a83-7ee91dd6005f_1024x1024](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/2/9/8/2986dae0e3f3f29f6f36fd7069136cf607f08458.jpeg) > **[Butterfly AL](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/butterfly-al-yoyo-by-duncan)** > > From Duncan: The idea of transforming the Butterfly into aluminum is a pretty bold concept. The original Butterfly design is really something you don’t want to mess around with. After a lot of thought, we finally decided to design something aimed... ---
**Author:** ![PCaliyoyos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pcaliyoyos/32/108396_2.png) [@PCaliyoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/PCaliyoyos)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/2 "2020-03-09T22:26:38Z")
me: i want a yoyo with massive rims, any suggestions? Garrett: new colors but it’s out of your price range… enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![Travelingyoyokid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/travelingyoyokid/32/62091_2.png) [@Travelingyoyokid](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Travelingyoyokid)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/3 "2020-03-09T22:27:15Z")
Haha ---
**Author:** ![nonja121](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nonja121/32/52722_2.png) [@nonja121](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nonja121)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/4 "2020-03-10T04:27:33Z")
That raw Haymaker X is :fire::fire::fire:. Is it a clear ano or is it raw blasted? ---
**Author:** ![twitch77](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/twitch77/32/60219_2.png) [@twitch77](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/twitch77)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 5:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/5 "2020-03-10T05:14:55Z")
I’d really like to hear some thoughts from people who own a Butterfly AL @Mystik really likes them. ---
**Author:** ![chaosgow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chaosgow/32/61394_2.png) [@chaosgow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/chaosgow)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/6 "2020-03-10T05:17:54Z")
It’s clearly clear, duh ---
**Author:** ![Genki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/genki/32/78683_2.png) [@Genki](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Genki)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/7 "2020-03-10T11:24:31Z")
“…the Duncan HaymakerX… the smoothness man, the SMOOTHNESS!!! 10 out of 10!!!” - Tokyoyo’s review ---
**Author:** ![Mystik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mystik/32/83294_2.png) [@Mystik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mystik)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/8 "2020-03-10T11:57:09Z")
Is been playing it stock set up till yesterday. Switched out its wide responsive bearing for a slim one. I knew when I got it I was gonna play it responsive. I don’t know why I didn’t switch to the half spec sooner. Shoots moons like a champ now! This is my go to for when I have something a little fancier to go to. Classy, goes well when your playing dress up. 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Mystik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mystik/32/83294_2.png) [@Mystik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mystik)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/9 "2020-03-10T12:00:04Z")
It is undersized, even compared to a standard butterfly. But don’t judge it by its size - with the weight it has it does not lack power! ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/10 "2020-03-10T17:19:58Z")
Yeah, general consensus seems to be that the AL Butterfly s\*cks as an unresponsive yoyo, but really shines as a responsive yoyo. I’ve been tempted to get one, but since I already have a Weekender I don’t know if there’s really any point in that. The Haymaker X is a beast of a yoyo, but I’m not sure it is worth $120 given how amazing the Grasshopper GTX is at 2/3rds the price. I also find the response pads too slippy for my tastes, so the Haymaker X requires an immediate pad swap, adding a little bit to its cost. ---
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/11 "2020-03-10T17:28:34Z")
The Haymaker X is $105. I threw one yesterday and didn’t notice the pads being slippy. Did you try different string before swapping pads? I have a lot of yo-yos that certain strings just don’t really pair well with. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/12 "2020-03-10T17:33:49Z")
Ah, I guess Duncan lowered the price at some point; they retailed for $120 for quite some time. Mine came with rather slippy white pads. Thicker strings do help, but I’m not a huge fan of solving pad problems via string selection. I prefer to solve pad problems with pads (or flowing my own silicone, which I’m learning to do). I haven’t actually swapped the pads in my Haymaker X yet, but if I decide to keep it I most definitely will. ---
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/13 "2020-03-10T17:43:18Z")
I don’t know if I would call it a “pad problem” though. If binds are slipping it could just as easily be a “string problem” or simply a result of the overall yo-yo design. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/14 "2020-03-10T17:46:36Z")
Well, unless the yoyo has a really wide gap, my first suspicion is slippy pads (which for me are “problematic”). I’m willing to try a pad swap before blaming it on the overall design. For example, I encountered the same issue with the Colossus IV. I decided to practice flowing my own silicone on it and found that it made a _huge_ difference. ---
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/15 "2020-03-10T18:03:49Z")
I see it as more of a characteristic of the yo-yo. When I’m looking at different yo-yos I’ve been throwing recently like the Murmur or ReCognition or Ti Float I use a different string type for each. I could probably change out all the pads or bearings or whatever, but I prefer to find a string that matches the yo-yo. Just different solutions to the same problem I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Mystik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mystik/32/83294_2.png) [@Mystik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mystik)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/16 "2020-03-10T23:51:26Z")
I wouldn’t say it sucks as unresponsive. It comes stock with a flat C bearing lube to be responsive. This makes it semi responsive, which can be a good middle ground if you play 1a but want enough room to do multiple wraps on the bearing. Trade of is no moons to shoot. I actually still plan to get another so I can have a more unobtrusive unresponsive to pack.🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Big](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/big/32/81788_2.png) [@Big](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Big)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/17 "2020-03-11T00:31:07Z")
Do you have to change the axle to switch to a small bearing? ---
**Author:** ![nonja121](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nonja121/32/52722_2.png) [@nonja121](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nonja121)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/18 "2020-03-11T04:32:37Z")
> [@zslane](#): > > The Haymaker X is a beast of a yoyo, but I’m not sure it is worth $120 given how amazing the Grasshopper GTX is at 2/3rds the price. That’s a 100% fair criticism of it IMO. I’ve been playing it and the Grasshopper GTX and quality-wise they’re definitely on par, so even the currently reduced $105 price tag is hard to justify if you’re comparing it to the $30 cheaper Grasshopper GTX. That said, I really do love mine. The bearing seized up so I swapped it with a 10-ball hybrid and it just plays so good. > [@zslane](#): > > Mine came with rather slippy white pads. Same but I wouldn’t call them slippy. They’re definitely not as grippy as the rather grippy red Duncan stickers. I wouldn’t say it’s a must-replace personally but you’re right that there’s a real difference throwing it side-by-side with a throw using the Duncan red stickers. ---
**Author:** ![Mystik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mystik/32/83294_2.png) [@Mystik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mystik)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/duncan-restock-haymaker-x-butterfly-al-new-colors/316519/19 "2020-03-11T05:18:36Z")
No. Axle did not have to be switched.