# Do titaniums outdo(?)bimetals?
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [April 7, 2015, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920 "2015-04-07T20:22:39Z")
**Posts on this page:** 14
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### Author:  [@YOYOJAMizm](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YOYOJAMizm)
#### Post date: [April 8, 2015, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920/21 "2015-04-08T00:18:57Z")
Pretty sure that’s the materials specific strength .
So 6061 has a specific strength from 48-144 (or the lowest and highest strength that material can achieve . )
So from this you can see titanium can reach a much higher specific strength
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### Author:  [@kadabrium](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kadabrium)
#### Post date: [April 8, 2015, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920/22 "2015-04-08T00:24:14Z")
> [@DKiminator](#):
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> Could you explain what this comparison means exactly? Like why is Ti 226 - 264 and why is 7075 86 - 211. What’s the point of having the first number, and then the second?
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> “6061 Aluminum: 48-144 kN-m/kg
> 7075 Aluminum: 86-211 kN-m/kg
> Grade 5 Titanium (Ti-6Al-4V): 226-264 kN-m/kg”
Almost sure the lower end signifies untempered raw metal which no one uses to make mechanical parts.
On a side note I v found no source explocitly suggesting that a300 is any significantly stronger than regular 7075. The manufacturer of a300 themselves promptly avoided direct comparison of their strengths despite doing so for some of their other properties.
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### Author:  [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)
#### Post date: [April 8, 2015, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920/23 "2015-04-08T11:34:21Z")
> [@GregP](#):
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> Exactly this. Material difference doesn’t equal performance difference.
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> There’s a huge myth out there that “bimetals outperform single aluminum yoyos”. I just don’t get it. People see “bimetal” and automatically assume that yoyo must inherently outperform all metals made with a single aluminum.
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> Same thing seems at play here with this question. Titanium is an expensive metal that offers different design possibilities. That doesn’t mean performance will be higher in a yoyo just because it’s made with Titanium.
I think this is a bit misleading. While using a particular material will not guarantee a great yo-yo; it is misleading to say that the material is not important to the performance.
Lets compare yo-yo’s that are the same design but are made of different materials. Will the performance (speed/spin-time/stability) be the same for the plastic version? Clearly, material does matter. Superior materials obviously need to be combined with good design. But lets be clear that this superior performance is a combination of factors both design and materials. The bi-metal Draupnir will clearly outperform a all-aluminum Draupnir - so obviously the materials do matter.
Good design, with superior performing materials will make a better yo-yo than just good design. Poor design, no matter what materials are used, will still be a bad yo-yo.
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### Author:  [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)
#### Post date: [April 8, 2015, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920/24 "2015-04-08T12:45:20Z")
> [@YoyoGeezer](#):
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> I think this is a bit misleading. While using a particular material will not guarantee a great yo-yo; it is misleading to say that the material is not important to the performance.
Except that I didn’t say that. I said that material difference does not EQUAL performance difference.
I agree with what you said. I am going to infer, therefore, that you actually AGREE with what _I_ said. :wink:
I have owned and still own some bi-metals. They do not “outperform” all single aluminum yoyos. It is not misleading to emphasize for those who don’t “get it” that a yoyo that is bi-metal is not automatically more performant than a yoyo that is single aluminum.
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### Author:  [@GoCrazyForYoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GoCrazyForYoyo)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920/25 "2015-04-10T19:05:12Z")
They all perform pretty great these days anyway. It a whimsical debate.
Plastic, Hybrid, Aluminum, BiMetal, and Titanium yoyos all offer sufficient performance for us to create combos and kill competitions. The tiny difference is more about feel, than performance.
A high grade material doesn’t always translate to higher grade performance.
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### Author:  [@yyfben2.deactivated](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yyfben2.deactivated)
#### Post date: [April 11, 2015, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920/26 "2015-04-11T01:01:55Z")
A good yoyo is one that suits you. For some it may be the color that is the most import factor. Others it’s exclusivity. Some care about performance and there is no set best for every individual.
Rejoice choice. Try everything. Play with whatever makes you happy.
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### Author:  [@888victini](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/888victini)
#### Post date: [April 11, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920/27 "2015-04-11T17:34:30Z")
> [@yyfben2.deactivated](#):
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> A good yoyo is one that suits you. For some it may be the color that is the most import factor. Others it’s exclusivity. Some care about performance and there is no set best for every individual.
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> Rejoice choice. Try everything. Play with whatever makes you happy.
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### Author:  [@saintrobyn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saintrobyn)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2015, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920/28 "2015-04-13T21:56:12Z")
While the material used will impact the overall design, the best weapon any company can have in their arsenal is a kick@$$ designer. Luckily, most of the top tier companies have incredible designers on staff to bring us all these cool toys.
And yes, definitely the best yo-yo is the one that is just right for you. I will be the first to say that color does play a part in my purchasing, which is funny considering that I never sit down and say that I must pick up a certain yo-yo because it is made out of a certain material. Good yo-yos transcend the materials that they are made of.
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### Author:  [@DVC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DVC)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2015, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920/29 "2015-04-14T02:09:09Z")
The YYF Dream Ti is kind of a similar size/shape to my RainFly, so I intend to answer this question (for myself at least) sometime in June : )
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### Author:  [@DKiminator](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DKiminator)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2015, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920/30 "2015-04-14T04:45:12Z")
Guys what’s stronger? Steel? or Titanium?
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### Author:  [@forge55b](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/forge55b)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2015, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920/31 "2015-04-14T05:25:28Z")
Technically steel but there are lots of differences between the two that dictate why one material is chosen over the other.
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### Author:  [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2015, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920/32 "2015-04-14T05:26:57Z")
> [@DKiminator](#):
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> Guys what’s stronger? Steel? or Titanium?
[http://bit.ly/1IYZqHu](http://bit.ly/1IYZqHu)
🙂
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### Author:  [@forge55b](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/forge55b)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2015, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920/33 "2015-04-14T05:35:43Z")
lol ;D
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### Author:  [@rizki\_yoist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rizki_yoist)
#### Post date: [April 15, 2015, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/do-titaniums-outdo-bimetals/73920/34 "2015-04-15T07:08:18Z")
I didn’t read all comments before posting this, sorry if it has been mentioned before. If you push the weight too far on the rim, sure it will be long spinning and all but it won’t play good because throwing the yoyo itself can become difficult, the easiest explanation I can think of is by using looping yoyos. First narrow the gap and test, feel how it throws down. Next make the gap wide and test, you’ll notice that the yoyo seems to be more heavier on the rim.
Now imagine a yoyo with maximum weight on the rim possible, it will just “stick” to your hand when thrown, because it unrolls far longer than it swing.
Also, using heavier metal doesn’t mean it will be more stable, it simply only allow for a wider range of design possibilities. Dense metal can be made thin for the same total weight of say, plastic, since it’s thinner the weight can be concentrated in a way that is impossible for plastic. Or in other word, generally you can always make a metal with the same weight distribution to a plastic, but not always vice versa.
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