# differences **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [May 18, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471 "2009-05-18T20:22:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Weesaw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/weesaw/32/146_2.png) [@Weesaw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Weesaw)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/1 "2009-05-18T20:22:16Z")
what are the differences between the x convict and the dark magic ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/2 "2009-05-18T20:34:03Z")
OOh there’s a lot of differences between those yoyos. Let’s start with the most obvious one; shape. The Dark Magic has a flat-rimmed shape while the X-ConVict has a somewhat flared shape. Then the size. The Dark Magic is what we call a full/normal-sized yoyo. The X-ConVict is a medium-ish sized yoyo. You will also find that the X-ConVict has some really wide metal rings compared to the Dark Magic. The Dark Magic does have wide metal rings, but compared to the X-ConVict, they are relatively small. There is also a 2.5 gram weight difference and a difference in response system. Addment: That’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![Mage1342](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mage1342/32/75_2.png) [@Mage1342](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mage1342)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/3 "2009-05-18T20:46:43Z")
Don’t forget the caps!!! XD ---
**Author:** ![EvanB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/90ced4/32.png) [@EvanB](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EvanB)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/4 "2009-05-18T21:09:35Z")
… and the name… … and the creator… … and the shinyness… … and the popularity… … and the color… Just the easy things ;D ;D ---
**Author:** ![Samad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samad/32/19_2.png) [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/5 "2009-05-18T21:41:51Z")
> [@Evan](#): > > … and the name… > > … and the creator… > > … and the shinyness… > > … and the popularity… > > … and the color… > > Just the easy things ;D ;D Shineyness is the same Colors can be the same. ---
**Author:** ![EvanB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/90ced4/32.png) [@EvanB](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EvanB)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/6 "2009-05-18T21:54:43Z")
> [@Samad](#): > > > [@Evan](#): > > > > … and the name… > > > > … and the creator… > > > > … and the shinyness… > > > > … and the popularity… > > > > … and the color… > > > > Just the easy things ;D ;D > > Shineyness is the same > > Colors can be the same. Funkiller 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Samad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samad/32/19_2.png) [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/7 "2009-05-18T22:33:11Z")
> [@Evan](#): > > > [@Samad](#): > > > > > [@Evan](#): > > > > > > … and the name… > > > > > > … and the creator… > > > > > > … and the shinyness… > > > > > > … and the popularity… > > > > > > … and the color… > > > > > > Just the easy things ;D ;D > > > > Shineyness is the same > > > > Colors can be the same. > > Funkiller 😛 Its actually fun-killer 😛 ---
**Author:** ![EvanB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/90ced4/32.png) [@EvanB](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EvanB)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/8 "2009-05-18T22:35:20Z")
> [@Samad](#): > > > [@Evan](#): > > > > > [@Samad](#): > > > > > > > [@Evan](#): > > > > > > > > … and the name… > > > > > > > > … and the creator… > > > > > > > > … and the shinyness… > > > > > > > > … and the popularity… > > > > > > > > … and the color… > > > > > > > > Just the easy things ;D ;D > > > > > > Shineyness is the same > > > > > > Colors can be the same. > > > > Funkiller 😛 > > Its actually fun-killer 😛 Ok, Joy-Killer :🙂 :🙂 :🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Weesaw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/weesaw/32/146_2.png) [@Weesaw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Weesaw)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/9 "2009-05-18T22:48:14Z")
so, x-convict is smaller (no like), and has a more flared wing (what does that even do differently?), wait, which is heavier than witch? and is thier a difference in play. i know the dm is more focused on grinding, but whats the x convict got special? ---
**Author:** ![Mage1342](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mage1342/32/75_2.png) [@Mage1342](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mage1342)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/10 "2009-05-19T01:40:47Z")
lol. Actually, The x-con is for grinding too and possibly may be easier than the DM. The flared just allows better stability when grinding on arms, back etc. The Dark Magic is a little heavier which makes it (usually) glide through the air harder. (Negligible unless you have been playing for a long time and is acutely in tune with your senses.) ---
**Author:** ![Weesaw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/weesaw/32/146_2.png) [@Weesaw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Weesaw)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/11 "2009-05-19T02:15:50Z")
mhm…senses, i got my five, with terrible vision! what senses would you be talking about? and glide throught the air harder? whats that even mean? ---
**Author:** ![james](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/james/32/149_2.png) [@james](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/james)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/12 "2009-05-19T04:26:24Z")
xvict is smaller and has a concave shape/ v shape. (i like it a little better than the dm) dm is bigger and dosnt have a v shape. it almost does but curves out slightly tword the edge. ps. it is personal preference. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![rsmod123](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rsmod123/32/46_2.png) [@rsmod123](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rsmod123)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/13 "2009-05-19T11:11:22Z")
Look at these pictures and you will see the difference. [http://yoyoexpert.com/product/yoyojam/x-convict/view/images/02.jpghttp://yoyoexpert.com/product/yoyojam/dark-magic/view/images/02.jpg](http://yoyoexpert.com/product/yoyojam/x-convict/view/images/02.jpghttp://yoyoexpert.com/product/yoyojam/dark-magic/view/images/02.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Weesaw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/weesaw/32/146_2.png) [@Weesaw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Weesaw)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/14 "2009-05-19T13:26:40Z")
ok so dm has wider gap, but why does the xconvict weigh less, i mean, it has mor metal on it right? the v shape looks pracicly identical to me, just slightly rounded on the dm… ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/15 "2009-05-19T13:38:03Z")
First off, I wouldn’t say that the X-ConVict has a V-shape. When I think of V-shape, I think of Speeders and something in that area. The X-ConVict has a really special shape though, so we can just call it the X-ConVict shape. And the DM does not have a rounded shape. In fact, if you look closely, you will see that the rims are flat. And the weight of a yoyo can be pushed up in several ways. And I belive that André wanted his yoyo a bit heavy, so it ended on 70 grams. These are both siganture yoyos, so they are made to fit the maker. Addment: The pictures look slightly scaled. Is this just me or? ---
**Author:** ![Samad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samad/32/19_2.png) [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/16 "2009-05-19T13:42:58Z")
Also, the DM has more metal under the thumb grind lip. ---
**Author:** ![Weesaw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/weesaw/32/146_2.png) [@Weesaw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Weesaw)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/17 "2009-05-19T14:03:23Z")
what i meant by rounded was rounded off. what difference does the vict shape give during play? it seems it woulden’t impact string catching that much, is their a signiture set of tricks that people play with it that are difficult on other yoyos? ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/18 "2009-05-19T14:05:33Z")
Well the DM is designed for André’s grinds and thumb grinds, while the X-ConVict is designed for JD’s stalls. ---
**Author:** ![Weesaw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/weesaw/32/146_2.png) [@Weesaw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Weesaw)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/19 "2009-05-19T20:40:54Z")
what do you mean by stalls? ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471/20 "2009-05-19T20:46:30Z")
A stall is technically stopping the yoyo on intention and starting it again. They can be done on the string, but JD uses his body: [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/6/d/a6d127a2ccd0fa94eaf281f3cf313bc728bc7c4d.jpeg "X the movie") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAYUHBo1AII) He does a lot of stalls there. You should notice them. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/differences/2471.md?page=2)