# Difference btw. the Konkave bearing and Ceramic one **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [May 16, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389 "2011-05-16T23:41:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kristiawan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kristiawan/32/366_2.png) [@Kristiawan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kristiawan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/21 "2011-05-19T11:26:25Z")
> [@Maja](#): > > And Hadoq, nobody’s gonna read ur post, its too long,…play with your little toys if u going to go around flaming at everyone… Easy there pal, no need to flame anyone. I enjoy kk, and I don’t care… Anyway, I think this thread is about diferences between a regular and ceramic kk. ---
**Author:** ![Rika-chan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rika-chan/32/767_2.png) [@Rika-chan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rika-chan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/22 "2011-05-19T12:56:01Z")
KK is fun. flat is fun. go play yoyo. ---
**Author:** ![nobody](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nobody/32/845_2.png) [@nobody](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/23 "2011-05-20T00:26:43Z")
> [@Maja](#): > > And Hadoq, nobody’s gonna read ur post, its too long,…play with your little toys if u going to go around flaming at everyone… How did you know, I did read all of his post. Lol :wink: ---
**Author:** ![hadoq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hadoq/32/688_2.png) [@hadoq](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hadoq)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/24 "2011-05-20T14:05:08Z")
> [@Maja](#): > > KK’s are totally useless garbage. Practice makes perfect. thank you for your very insightful post, I never realized how stupid I was, I guess all I got left is to go out and kill myself 😃 😃 😃 😃 > [@Jayyo](#): > > I sent you a pm too Hadoq, regarding you over-reacting and saying I called you an idiot. > Read up. > > As for why KK bearings are unnecessary. > eacting. > > Its fact that kk centers string yes, and did you ever see what exactly happens due to this? As you can imagine, the string layers will bunch up to the middle, when this happens, there can be snagging due to the bunching of strings. On a flat bearing, when the yoyo strings fall to the side of each other, there not as much snagging as the strings are free to slide over the metal, instead of over the other strings. > During suicides, the affect of the string actually being against the wall of the yoyo a bit causes the suicide to open much better due to that fricition. Without it, the loops dont open up as well. > > This is something that many of the throwers who have been throwing for a while realize. Which is why other companies have tried to make bearings that don’t cause this as much, e.g. crucial groove bearing. > > Just saying. > > J my point exactly → KK help new players not those who have a perfectly straight throw and can keep their alignment without it ---
**Author:** ![scarecrow1298](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/scarecrow1298/32/760_2.png) [@scarecrow1298](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/scarecrow1298)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/25 "2011-05-20T20:47:22Z")
I love it when a simple question thread erupts into a argumental debate…anyways to anwser the question that was originally asked… obviously the standard bearing is steel balls where as the ceramic uses…err ceramic balls :D…the ceramic is suppose to be smoother and spin longer and last longer…I’m just going off of what I’ve heard in the forums…I got a standard kk (thats right I use one flame me) and I feel that it performs just fine…I’m rather glad that I didn’t shell out the extra moolah for something that would probably only provide a negligible diffrence, but then again “I” have never used one personally so what do I truly know on the matter? ---
**Author:** ![hadoq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hadoq/32/688_2.png) [@hadoq](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hadoq)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/26 "2011-05-23T10:09:38Z")
I know I shelled out the extra cash to try ceramic ones, couldn’t see a damn difference, except that my wallet was lighter KK do differ to flats in some (good or bad, you tell me) way but I’m pretty sure Ceramic doesn’t differ to Steel ---
**Author:** ![Domin123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@Domin123](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Domin123)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/27 "2011-05-23T11:23:07Z")
> [@hadoq](#): > > I know I shelled out the extra cash to try ceramic ones, couldn’t see a darn difference, except that my wallet was lighter > > KK do differ to flats in some (good or bad, you tell me) way > but I’m pretty sure Ceramic doesn’t differ to Steel They last longer, an effect that cannot be seen in the short term. ---
**Author:** ![Mattylightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattylightning/32/205_2.png) [@Mattylightning](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mattylightning)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/28 "2011-05-23T19:01:16Z")
> [@Rika-chan](#): > > KK is fun. flat is fun. go play yoyo. this ---
**Author:** ![Rika-chan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rika-chan/32/767_2.png) [@Rika-chan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rika-chan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/29 "2011-05-24T01:21:43Z")
> [@Mattylightning](#): > > > [@Rika-chan](#): > > > > KK is fun. flat is fun. go play yoyo. > > this 🙂 from jensen kimmets “yeah i quit. go play yoyo” ---
**Author:** ![hadoq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hadoq/32/688_2.png) [@hadoq](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hadoq)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/30 "2011-06-06T17:57:48Z")
alright, I’ll have to come clean now. so lately I’ve been making significant progress in my overall flow and I’ve decided to give flats another run. you’re right, actually, I didn’t notice it at first because I was working on easy tricks with few layers of string, but now I can tell where KK can become an issue that said, I kinda like how it feels, but performance wise, it’s a sure loss you were right jay, I was wrong KK can suit some styles better than others, I guess I’m glad I learned something thanks to you ! ---
**Author:** ![Slade\_Riggs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Slade\_Riggs](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Slade_Riggs)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/31 "2011-06-10T19:57:31Z")
i have tried both but the only diffrence is that the ceramic one will last longer but it doestn spin longer. i oly use kk in my yoyos, love them. also get chaos yoyo strings they are just amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Mattylightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattylightning/32/205_2.png) [@Mattylightning](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mattylightning)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/32 "2011-06-10T20:16:49Z")
> [@Slade Riggs](#): > > i have tried both but the only diffrence is that the ceramic one will last longer but it doestn spin longer. i oly use kk in my yoyos, love them. also get chaos yoyo strings they are just amazing. > > [http://www.chaosyoyos.com/home.php?myStep=sPage&pg=home](http://www.chaosyoyos.com/home.php?myStep=sPage&pg=home) [http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9639/holynecropostingbatman.jpg](http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9639/holynecropostingbatman.jpg) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/3/0/330ddf7ee4196aa626c0f970515d9cf716eb5bf9.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![skeletonboy333](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@skeletonboy333](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skeletonboy333)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/33 "2011-06-10T21:10:50Z")
> [@Mattylightning](#): > > > [@Slade Riggs](#): > > > > i have tried both but the only diffrence is that the ceramic one will last longer but it doestn spin longer. i oly use kk in my yoyos, love them. also get chaos yoyo strings they are just amazing. > > > > [http://www.chaosyoyos.com/home.php?myStep=sPage&pg=home](http://www.chaosyoyos.com/home.php?myStep=sPage&pg=home) > > [http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9639/holynecropostingbatman.jpg](http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9639/holynecropostingbatman.jpg) > > [http://gettingoutinarlington.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/get-out2.jpg](http://gettingoutinarlington.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/get-out2.jpg) Are you kidding me? This thread is 4 days old. ---
**Author:** ![Mattylightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattylightning/32/205_2.png) [@Mattylightning](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mattylightning)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/34 "2011-06-11T00:20:16Z")
this thread is from may, go back to the first post and read the date ---
**Author:** ![skeletonboy333](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@skeletonboy333](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skeletonboy333)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/35 "2011-06-11T02:16:05Z")
> [@Mattylightning](#): > > this thread is from may, go back to the first post and read the date We count from the latest post. ---
**Author:** ![Schnayke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Schnayke](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Schnayke)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/36 "2011-06-11T02:17:47Z")
For what it’s worth I like ceramic bearings, but don’t buy them. I have found you lube them less over all. Not really at first but a few years in they really hit their groove. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![njd12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ee7513/32.png) [@njd12](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/njd12)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/37 "2011-06-14T01:06:26Z")
> [@hadoq](#): > > Jay → you got my mp, there’s a “public” part to what I want to tell you and here it is > > about the “basic physics”, I feel the need to explain myself. > > because of the bearing, the yoyo rotation has no affect of the position on the string on the bearing. that’s the whole point of having a ball bearing yoyo, to have the string be independent to the yoyo’s rotation. > > with a flat bearing, the string is more likely to hit the yoyo’s moving part, therefore interfering with the rotation in several ways. > > beginner don’t have a strong throw and can’t perform tricks perfectly, more often than not, they miss and have to start again. If the yoyo slows down or tilts (due to their weak throw) they have to wind it up and rethrow. > > Some tricks have many technical elements and sometimes, getting through the trick requires to perform difficult moves and mounts that are more likely to slow the yoyo down. > > Therefore, for a beginner, having the longest possible sleeping yoyo is a real edge because it allows him some extra time to be able to practice more and further more easily. > > You obviously are not a beginner anymore, but keep in mind that what’s now easy to you can be incredibly difficult to others, you had your time when you were struggling, now that you’re good doesn’t mean that everyone else is as good as you are. > > And it’s too bad if, when you started there might not have been KK bearings, and maybe that made you a better thrower overall, but now they’re there and they’re not useless, they help the beginners with that extra sleeping time they want to get to that part furthermore into the trick. > > the truth is, people don’t care about “getting bad habits”, people don’t care about responsive yoyoing, they’ll eventually work these things out later down the road, but when kids want to start playing they want long sleeping time and stable yoyos, they’re not at the point where they have layers and layers of strings in their bearings, they’re at the point where when they finally hit the double or nothing mount, the yoyo dies miserably due to the years and thousands of throws they still need to get the move right and a powerful sleeper like you have. > > don’t be such an elitist and remember when you started, when you were a noob, understand that today, there are people asking for solutions and other people giving them the solutions they want. > > there can only be one world champ at a time, and most of us just play because it’s fun and not that frustrating thanks to today’s technology and evolutions, what took years to master a decade ago can now be learned in a few weeks. And all in all, it benefits to the community. > > what you are doing here is basically calling all people who use KK bearings idiots, just because YOU are good enough, YOU have thousands of throws behind you that allowed you to now, throw straight and strong, YOU do multi layer tricks, looking for that extra edge to add just one or a couple extra layer. therefore EVERYONE should do it YOUR WAY and everyone who doesn’t is wrong. wow u pwned that guy. ---
**Author:** ![skeletonboy333](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@skeletonboy333](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skeletonboy333)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/38 "2011-06-14T06:21:39Z")
> [@njd12](#): > > > [@hadoq](#): > > > > Jay → you got my mp, there’s a “public” part to what I want to tell you and here it is > > > > about the “basic physics”, I feel the need to explain myself. > > > > because of the bearing, the yoyo rotation has no affect of the position on the string on the bearing. that’s the whole point of having a ball bearing yoyo, to have the string be independent to the yoyo’s rotation. > > > > with a flat bearing, the string is more likely to hit the yoyo’s moving part, therefore interfering with the rotation in several ways. > > > > beginner don’t have a strong throw and can’t perform tricks perfectly, more often than not, they miss and have to start again. If the yoyo slows down or tilts (due to their weak throw) they have to wind it up and rethrow. > > > > Some tricks have many technical elements and sometimes, getting through the trick requires to perform difficult moves and mounts that are more likely to slow the yoyo down. > > > > Therefore, for a beginner, having the longest possible sleeping yoyo is a real edge because it allows him some extra time to be able to practice more and further more easily. > > > > You obviously are not a beginner anymore, but keep in mind that what’s now easy to you can be incredibly difficult to others, you had your time when you were struggling, now that you’re good doesn’t mean that everyone else is as good as you are. > > > > And it’s too bad if, when you started there might not have been KK bearings, and maybe that made you a better thrower overall, but now they’re there and they’re not useless, they help the beginners with that extra sleeping time they want to get to that part furthermore into the trick. > > > > the truth is, people don’t care about “getting bad habits”, people don’t care about responsive yoyoing, they’ll eventually work these things out later down the road, but when kids want to start playing they want long sleeping time and stable yoyos, they’re not at the point where they have layers and layers of strings in their bearings, they’re at the point where when they finally hit the double or nothing mount, the yoyo dies miserably due to the years and thousands of throws they still need to get the move right and a powerful sleeper like you have. > > > > don’t be such an elitist and remember when you started, when you were a noob, understand that today, there are people asking for solutions and other people giving them the solutions they want. > > > > there can only be one world champ at a time, and most of us just play because it’s fun and not that frustrating thanks to today’s technology and evolutions, what took years to master a decade ago can now be learned in a few weeks. And all in all, it benefits to the community. > > > > what you are doing here is basically calling all people who use KK bearings idiots, just because YOU are good enough, YOU have thousands of throws behind you that allowed you to now, throw straight and strong, YOU do multi layer tricks, looking for that extra edge to add just one or a couple extra layer. therefore EVERYONE should do it YOUR WAY and everyone who doesn’t is wrong. > > wow u pwned that guy. You can’t really say that, they’re debating and explaining each others opinions, not a conflicting quarrel. ---
**Author:** ![Jayjo866](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jayjo866/32/159931_2.png) [@Jayjo866](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jayjo866)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2021, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389/39 "2021-08-01T00:25:57Z")
Lol alot of talking here. I love konkave ,groove bearings they are great for techy stuff and love that the YOYO DOESN’T TILT UNLIKE OTHER BEARINGS. Lol [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/difference-btw-the-konkave-bearing-and-ceramic-one/26389.md?page=1)