# DIE-NASTY vs Grind Machine? **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [October 1, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/die-nasty-vs-grind-machine/19592 "2010-10-01T00:33:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![catorameus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/catorameus/32/175_2.png) [@catorameus](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/catorameus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/die-nasty-vs-grind-machine/19592/1 "2010-10-01T00:33:34Z")
I’m really interested in getting into 3a, but I don’t have any two yo-yo’s that are similar enough to each other. I was wondering whether or not the DIE-NASTY is similar to the PGMv2(shape, size, feel, etc…). Should I just get it or another PGMv2? ---
**Author:** ![jhb8426](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhb8426/32/631_2.png) [@jhb8426](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jhb8426)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/die-nasty-vs-grind-machine/19592/2 "2010-10-01T02:13:02Z")
They’re similar enough: GM Diam 56.4 mm, width 40.9 mm, 64 grams (w/hubstacks) DN Diam 55.8 mm, width 40.6 mm, 65 grams (w/caps) Note that these slight differences in size may very well be in the rounding and conversion from english to metric units. You probably won’t feel much difference between the two if any at all in the size/weight category. The DN has a center trac bearing, I don’t know if the GM has that. The PGM V1 has a flat bearing (at least mine does). Maybe the difference there may have an effect on the play between the two. ---
**Author:** ![ItzChris](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/itzchris/32/540_2.png) [@ItzChris](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ItzChris)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/die-nasty-vs-grind-machine/19592/3 "2010-10-01T02:48:52Z")
The PGM2 is just like a die nasty with hubstacks. I’d get the one with hubs if i were you. It will be much more fun to play around and create your own tricks with the hubs. DN has a center trac & PGM2 has a flat bearing btw. ---
**Author:** ![scyshc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/scyshc/32/658_2.png) [@scyshc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/scyshc)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/die-nasty-vs-grind-machine/19592/4 "2010-10-01T17:22:39Z")
I would choose die-nasty because you are not going to use hubs friquently if you are doing 3a ---
**Author:** ![Mi1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mi1/32/626_2.png) [@Mi1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mi1)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/die-nasty-vs-grind-machine/19592/5 "2010-10-01T17:23:41Z")
> [@ItzChris](#): > > The PGM2 is just like a die nasty with hubstacks. > > I’d get the one with hubs if i were you. It will be much more fun to play around and create your own tricks with the hubs. > > DN has a center trac & PGM2 has a flat bearing btw. I think (and mostly everyone else) hubs get in the way and are pretty stupid js. ---
**Author:** ![x52](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/3bc359/32.png) [@x52](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/x52)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/die-nasty-vs-grind-machine/19592/6 "2010-10-01T18:37:18Z")
Yes, they’re basically alike. ---
**Author:** ![j\_lowell9](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/j_lowell9/32/358_2.png) [@j\_lowell9](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/j_lowell9)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/die-nasty-vs-grind-machine/19592/7 "2010-10-01T21:55:15Z")
You should get another pgm because I have a die nasty and it plays much different than the pgm I guess it’s because the hubs add centerweight while the die nasty has very little center weight because it doesn’t have hubs ---
**Author:** ![crocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d9b06d/32.png) [@crocks](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/crocks)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2010, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/die-nasty-vs-grind-machine/19592/8 "2010-10-02T11:01:01Z")
my friend got a gm and hes brother got a die nasty the die nasty doesnt spin as long as the gm and the gm is pretty good even the velocity ---
**Author:** ![JUMP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jump/32/274_2.png) [@JUMP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JUMP)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/die-nasty-vs-grind-machine/19592/9 "2010-10-05T01:37:46Z")
In order from most awesome to least awesome: Counter Attack PGM Stackless Die-Nasty PGM Stacked V.2 PGM Stacked V.1 ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/die-nasty-vs-grind-machine/19592/10 "2010-10-07T01:37:37Z")
my gm feels too light so i would try die nasty just my opinion