# Dark Magic ||| **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [December 21, 2012, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888 "2012-12-21T17:43:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![chriscollins14](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chriscollins14/32/1026_2.png) [@chriscollins14](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/chriscollins14)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/21 "2012-12-22T06:04:05Z")
52mm diameter, change the response, no caps and maybe a little more metal rim? ---
**Author:** ![Bcmaddog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bcmaddog/32/1170_2.png) [@Bcmaddog](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bcmaddog)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/22 "2012-12-22T12:56:56Z")
It obviously needs new response, because Andre has lots of snags in his binds. He has to throw it to get it completely tight and no snags. ---
**Author:** ![yoyoavenger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoavenger/32/884_2.png) [@yoyoavenger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyoavenger)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/23 "2012-12-22T13:29:04Z")
I think it needs a different catch zone. ---
**Author:** ![chriscollins14](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chriscollins14/32/1026_2.png) [@chriscollins14](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/chriscollins14)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/24 "2012-12-22T14:27:12Z")
> [@chriscollins14](#): > > 52mm diameter, change the response, no caps and maybe a little more metal rim? Ok scratch that. Make it a little smaller, and as Daniel said, change the rims to brass to keep it at the same weight ---
**Author:** ![ITSAUTHENTIC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ecb155/32.png) [@ITSAUTHENTIC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ITSAUTHENTIC)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/25 "2012-12-22T14:55:21Z")
I personally think that the only issue with the yo is grinding. Idk if there is a slicker, smoother plastic that can be used but if so that would make the yo perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Yoyoguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mr_yoyoguy/32/922_2.png) [@Mr\_Yoyoguy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mr_Yoyoguy)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/26 "2012-12-22T14:56:52Z")
> [@ITSAUTHENTIC](#): > > I personally think that the only issue with the yo is grinding. Idk if there is a slicker, smoother plastic that can be used but if so that would make the yo perfect. delrin a dm2 with delrin plastic part…now that would be AWESOME. ---
**Author:** ![yoyospirit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyospirit/32/219875_2.png) [@yoyospirit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyospirit)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/27 "2012-12-22T14:57:30Z")
I liked the old design better… I’m a fan of hybrid response 😃 But it would be cool if YYJ took the old Dark Magic, made the gap a millimeter or half larger, and had two options, hybrid, and silicone response. ---
**Author:** ![merger3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c89c15/32.png) [@merger3](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/merger3)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/28 "2012-12-22T16:54:20Z")
Delrin would be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![chriscollins14](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chriscollins14/32/1026_2.png) [@chriscollins14](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/chriscollins14)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/29 "2012-12-22T17:31:17Z")
Maybe a SE made of delrin and titanium? ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/30 "2012-12-22T19:07:18Z")
> [@Bcmaddog](#): > > It obviously needs new response, because Andre has lots of snags in his binds. He has to throw it to get it completely tight and no snags. Those videos are all made with the original Dark Magic, which had a hybrid response (half starburst). More importantly, though, at the time (who knows about these days?) he prefered to use slightly snaggy methods for binding. The rolling bind in particular he uses a tonne isn’t considered to be a reliable bind. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/31 "2012-12-22T20:21:10Z")
> [@Bcmaddog](#): > > It obviously needs new response, because Andre has lots of snags in his binds. He has to throw it to get it completely tight and no snags. It was the bind he uses in the videos. I find doing a bind from a different mount gives me nearly no snags. If I bind from a trapeze, I get snags more than half the time. Also, that was an original Dark Magic using a hybrid response. ---
**Author:** ![funkymonkey2956](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@funkymonkey2956](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/funkymonkey2956)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/32 "2012-12-22T20:25:40Z")
> [@Pajama Man 8398](#): > > add some weight, make it a tiny bit smaller. i agree ---
**Author:** ![Totalartist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/totalartist/32/1054_2.png) [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/33 "2012-12-22T21:20:27Z")
> [@jhb8426](#): > > > [@Totalartist](#): > > > > > [@jhb8426](#): > > > > > > Not much if anything. I like it the way it is. > > > > I second this ^ It only needed gold caps and gold rims. Now it has that, and it’s absolutely perfect. ;D > > Is that a Blue/Gold or a Black/Gold? I have a Blue/Gold one. That one is black/gold. Also, it has gold colored caps too. I thought the blue one with gold rims had silver caps…not sure. That black/gold is a “must have.” :wink: ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/d/7/ad70866e11023111b6b59fc9b575040d07ecb389.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![jhb8426](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhb8426/32/631_2.png) [@jhb8426](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jhb8426)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/34 "2012-12-22T21:22:43Z")
> [@Totalartist](#): > > That one is black/gold. Also, it has gold colored caps unlike the blue one. The blue one has silver caps and gold rims. That black/gold is a “must have.” :wink: It is the only one I’ve seen with gold caps too. Thanks. I’m partial to the blue/gold because it matches my blue/gold HM. ---
**Author:** ![Totalartist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/totalartist/32/1054_2.png) [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/35 "2012-12-22T21:30:34Z")
> [@jhb8426](#): > > > [@Totalartist](#): > > > > That one is black/gold. Also, it has gold colored caps unlike the blue one. The blue one has silver caps and gold rims. That black/gold is a “must have.” :wink: It is the only one I’ve seen with gold caps too. > > Thanks. I’m partial to the blue/gold because it matches my blue/gold HM. Ah, I see. Confirm for me though…does the blue one have silver caps or gold caps? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![BanjoSpins](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/banjospins/32/704_2.png) [@BanjoSpins](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/BanjoSpins)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/36 "2012-12-22T21:59:33Z")
I had never seen the gold rimmed DMII until you two posted yours. Those throws are gorgeous. The black and gold are Iowa Hawkeye colors. Could have sold a ton of those outside Kinnick Stadium this fall with the Hawkeye logo on the side. (The crowd in the stands needed something to keep them entertained during the games. In the name of humanity the fans needed to look away from the gruesome spectacle on the field from time to time just to get their wits about them again.) ---
**Author:** ![jhb8426](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhb8426/32/631_2.png) [@jhb8426](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jhb8426)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/37 "2012-12-22T23:14:32Z")
> [@Totalartist](#): > > Ah, I see. Confirm for me though…does the blue one have silver caps or gold caps? Thanks. It has gold caps as well. Kind of hard to tell from these. I’ll try to get a better one later today. [http://cdn.yoyoexpert.com/4/view/images/62\_thumb.jpg](http://cdn.yoyoexpert.com/4/view/images/62_thumb.jpg) [http://cdn.yoyoexpert.com/4/view/images/61\_thumb.jpg](http://cdn.yoyoexpert.com/4/view/images/61_thumb.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Totalartist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/totalartist/32/1054_2.png) [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/38 "2012-12-22T23:19:56Z")
> [@jhb8426](#): > > > [@Totalartist](#): > > > > Ah, I see. Confirm for me though…does the blue one have silver caps or gold caps? Thanks. > > It has gold caps as well. Kind of hard to tell from these. I’ll try to get a better one later today. > > [http://cdn.yoyoexpert.com/4/view/images/62\_thumb.jpg](http://cdn.yoyoexpert.com/4/view/images/62_thumb.jpg) [http://cdn.yoyoexpert.com/4/view/images/61\_thumb.jpg](http://cdn.yoyoexpert.com/4/view/images/61_thumb.jpg) I see. I hope they restock those too at some point. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Bcmaddog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bcmaddog/32/1170_2.png) [@Bcmaddog](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bcmaddog)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/39 "2012-12-22T23:33:14Z")
I like the clear, with red and orange rims. ---
**Author:** ![augmentedloyalty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/augmentedloyalty/32/1218_2.png) [@augmentedloyalty](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/augmentedloyalty)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888/40 "2012-12-22T23:56:12Z")
try to make it v or h shape also titanium on the rings [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic/46888.md?page=3)